2024 Presidential Race

[C-south]

Seriously, it takes a special kind of dumb to screw up the lead Trump had a mere month ago.

Biden struggling to put a sentence together, Trump playing "hero" after "taking a bullet for democracy," and the coronation of the king at the MAGA convention all led to a seemingly insurmountable lead.
And to think all it took to undo it was the promotion of an unpopular VP to the top of the ticket for the Democrats.

The man has snatched defeat straight from the jaws of victory!!

I guess if they feel he’s gonna lose they can just swap him out for someone they believe is better. Voting doesn’t matter.

 

[JOEY’S ALL VOL !!!]

its amazing how flipping the party still applies.

And as one of the biggest practitioners of those very acts you rail against from the others you are blind to it to your own hypocrisy.

I keep trying to warn you. you are literally a Trumper, just for the other side.

Precisely.

Even more so on the hypocritical scale. Continuum wise of course.

 

[utvolpj]

We had a perfectly fine will that was having a positive affect on the Border
We were not involved in any foreign conflicts because THERE WERE NONE.
Taxes were lower
Fuel prices were lower.

These are facts you don‘t want to admit. I wish we had had Trump over the last 3.5 years as we would be much better off.

Those aren't facts they're a snapshot of cherry picked numbers. A fact would be starting that Trump's fiscal policies absolutely contributed to inflation and higher costs. He was pumping the economy with massive spending causing large deficits. He's not a small govt guy

There were no foreign conflicts involving us troops during his 4yrs? Really?

Oh, and that perfectly fine wall fell down

 

[LadyVolette]

WTF? You can't prove he knew anymore than you about it

I’m pretty sure he had neurologists/Parkinson’s specialists going for visits, or at least that was what was leaked.. they usually don’t come see you for funsies

 

[OrangeTsar]

Donnie knows how to pick 'em.

Yes, yes he does

"Hillbilly Elegy" rockets to top of bestseller list after JD Vance picked as Trump's VP

JD Vance's 2016 memoir "Hillbilly Elegy" is getting a sales bump after the Ohio senator was picked to run alongside former President Donald Trump.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Franklin Pierce]

EXCLUSIVE: How Kamala Harris and Doug Emhoff Took Out Ten Loans Totaling $13 Million on their LA and DC Properties - From Bank She Prosecuted For BILLIONS​

Presidential hopeful Kamala Harris and her husband Doug Emhoff have refinanced their luxury properties on the east and west coast ten times with loans totaling $13M.

The second couple, both 59, have borrowed way in excess of what they’re worth – their joint fortune estimated at $8 million by Forbes.

And, surprisingly, their various home loans and lines of credit are all with Wells Fargo Bank, the lending giant Kamala battled when she was Attorney General of California.


Harris was in litigation for years with Wells Fargo just as she and Emhoff were living in a luxury property in the Los Angeles celeb enclave of Brentwood, propped up by the bank's millions.



Kamala Harris and her husband Doug Emhoff have borrowed more than $13 million by refinancing their real estate portfolio several times

Kamala Harris borrowed $13million on their LA and DC properties

The second couple, both 59, have borrowed way in excess of what they're worth, an estimated $8 million.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[LSU-SIU]

Those aren't facts they're a snapshot of cherry picked numbers. A fact would be starting that Trump's fiscal policies absolutely contributed to inflation and higher costs. He was pumping the economy with massive spending causing large deficits. He's not a small govt guy

There were no foreign conflicts involving us troops during his 4yrs? Really?

Oh, and that perfectly fine wall fell down

I would say his ability to use the DOJ, FBI, SS and CIA against his political opponent is suspect as well.

America is F'd, the election isn't going to change that.

 

[luthervol]

You can substitute liberalism for trumpism

False equivalency.......................trumpism 101

 

[Vol8188]

no this strategy would have been losing to Biden too.

what sunk Biden was Trump staying silent during the debate, and allowing Biden to flounder. Trump didn't make any personal attacks or comments about Biden's wherewithal. Trump stuck to the issues and the Dems had nothing.

Trump could have done the same thing against Kamala, with very similar results after some reactionary movement in the polls after the swap.

but instead Trump has dropped the policy rhetoric, and started attacking his opponents on personal items. that is not going to win him an election. against anyone.

None of trumps comments are his issue right now. His issue is he’s running against “generic democrat”. All candidates do worse against a generic fill in. Because “generic candidate” is an unknown.

 

[C-south]

False equivalency.......................trumpism 101

Weakness and lack of self awareness

 

[volfanhill]

The only reason it’s worth anything now is that the federal government controls the military.

Makes you wonder if that was the goal of the MIC the whole time

 

[volfanhill]

its amazing how flipping the party still applies.

And as one of the biggest practitioners of those very acts you rail against from the others you are blind to it to your own hypocrisy.

I keep trying to warn you. you are literally a Trumper, just for the other side.

Wrong poster

 

[volfanhill]

We had a perfectly fine will that was having a positive affect on the Border
We were not involved in any foreign conflicts because THERE WERE NONE.
Taxes were lower
Fuel prices were lower.

These are facts you don‘t want to admit. I wish we had had Trump over the last 3.5 years as we would be much better off.

We weren't involved in foreign conflicts? What the heck are you talking about? If you trot that lie of a talking point out you can't be taken seriously

 

[JOEY’S ALL VOL !!!]

Weakness and lack of self awareness

 

[hog88]

Makes you wonder if that was the goal of the MIC the whole time

The bankers. And when I say bankers I'm talking about the people who run the central banks and multi-national operations. Without foreign investment in US bonds/debt our federal govt can't make the interest payments on previous debt.

 

[Buddy’s Bandit]

Those aren't facts they're a snapshot of cherry picked numbers. A fact would be starting that Trump's fiscal policies absolutely contributed to inflation and higher costs. He was pumping the economy with massive spending causing large deficits. He's not a small govt guy

There were no foreign conflicts involving us troops during his 4yrs? Really?

Oh, and that perfectly fine wall fell down

He was “pumping the economy”…..You guys never bring up COVID and Trump following directions from his underlings who were largely there to see that he was not successful. You never admit problems with your own party so keep cherry picking my replies. Bottom line is Trump put America and Americans first. Did he make mistakes? Yes…..unconsciously. Joe and Kamala have known what they were doing and they are not for America and the American dream.

You know the media is propping her up.
You know it is wrong to not stand before an unbiased media and answer questions.
You know the lies about Trump ( Russia and others) were only there to impede his ability to inact his polices that work!! Remember Regan?
You know the world was a safer place because of Trump’s desire to lead thru strength.
You know our inflation was flamed by Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act that Kamala cast the deciding vote
You know the Democrats are king of divisiveness by dividing this country by race, creed, and color ( Rules for Radicals).

If this is what you want, for all means, VOTE FOR THEM. My bet is you will regret it and this country cannot afford 4 more years of Socialist/Marxist policies. It will be too late.

Keep arguing…..

 

[Buddy’s Bandit]

We weren't involved in foreign conflicts? What the heck are you talking about? If you trot that lie of a talking point out you can't be taken seriously

No thing like today…..Putin, Xi, and the “Rocket Man” were all held at bay. Afghanistan knew not to touch one of our boys. Can the same be said about your team? Give me an account for what is going on today…..I’ll wait…..

 

[LouderVol]

False equivalency.......................trumpism 101

"It's designed to be divisive Maga is the enemy, the rich are the enemy, white people want to take your jobs and take advantage of people's worst instincts Riots, racial division, hatred towards the rich or others who just have more, sloth and dependency on the government, the major difference with abortion is purely about self serving goal for the Dems. It derives power from an angry, bitter, We had a whole thread about how liberals are less happy than conservatives and ill-informed you guys bought every lie in the book if a Dem said it, trump pee tape, Trump working for the Russians, Biden is sharp as tack, Kamala suddenly going from a hindrance to the best optionsociety - by design.

Trumpism Liberalism intentionally and by design paints the other side as the "enemy that should be hated and must be defeated" instead of "fellow Americans with different opinions who we can work with and find compromise." See your opinion on Trump and his followers. you are willing to accept whatever BS just to defeat the enemy. you definitely don't consider him or his followers as someone you can work with or find compromise with. heck it was the liberals who passed a completely secret bill in ACA without letting ANYONE read it, hard to see how that was working across the table.

...........even within their own party. yall just couped your party leader in order to have a better shot at defeating an enemy. you have also turned your back on several party members. Manchin and Tulsi Gabbard come to mind.

It's rooted in ignorance, no idea how the economy works, no idea how foreign nations are respecting us, guns and gun laws and are proud of how little you know misinformation, Kamala is *not the border czar*, she never wanted to ban guns, increase taxes, Trump wants a total abortion ban, the Rs just want to put the slaves back in chains, pretty much every single thing about Covid and false equivalencies. Thinking you are different just because Trump is bad, that a bad person can't be a good president, that giving people what they want is actually helping them, that popular somehow means good"

 

[utvolpj]

No thing like today…..Putin, Xi, and the “Rocket Man” were all held at bay. Afghanistan knew not to touch one of our boys. Can the same be said about your team? Give me an account for what is going on today…..I’ll wait…..

That's not your claim. You literally posted

We were not involved in any foreign conflicts because THERE WERE NONE.

 

[LouderVol]

None of trumps comments are his issue right now. His issue is he’s running against “generic democrat”. All candidates do worse against a generic fill in. Because “generic candidate” is an unknown.

and Trump could absolutely HAMMER them on that unknown. with the difference being Kamala is the current VP. she is promising all these things to happen in 4 years, but not in the 6 months before that? Trump could SO easily point out that the "unknown" has already failed, and that the left is just using Biden as the escape goat.

 

[volfanhill]

No thing like today…..Putin, Xi, and the “Rocket Man” were all held at bay. Afghanistan knew not to touch one of our boys. Can the same be said about your team? Give me an account for what is going on today…..I’ll wait…..

My team? Ok man. Lying about his record doesn't help him. You should both take note. I guess ISIS was the JV team.

 

[JOEY’S ALL VOL !!!]

The bankers. And when I say bankers I'm talking about the people who run the central banks and multi-national operations. Without foreign investment in US bonds/debt our federal govt can't make the interest payments on previous debt.

And that’s not a recent thing either, been this way for a long long time. There are some in levels of power that would just love to see a default and total collapse and the only thing stopping them from seeing to it for certain is a still well armed private citizen United States.

 

[Buddy’s Bandit]

That's not your claim. You literally posted

Deflect….guess the world is better in Ukraine and the Middle East today than when Trump was involved.

 

[LouderVol]

He was “pumping the economy”…..You guys never bring up COVID and Trump following directions from his underlings who were largely there to see that he was not successful. You never admit problems with your own party so keep cherry picking my replies. Bottom line is Trump put America and Americans first. Did he make mistakes? Yes…..unconsciously. Joe and Kamala have known what they were doing and they are not for America and the American dream.

You know the media is propping her up.
You know it is wrong to not stand before an unbiased media and answer questions.
You know the lies about Trump ( Russia and others) were only there to impede his ability to inact his polices that work!! Remember Regan?
You know the world was a safer place because of Trump’s desire to lead thru strength.
You know our inflation was flamed by Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act that Kamala cast the deciding vote
You know the Democrats are king of divisiveness by dividing this country by race, creed, and color ( Rules for Radicals).

If this is what you want, for all means, VOTE FOR THEM. My bet is you will regret it and this country cannot afford 4 more years of Socialist/Marxist policies. It will be too late.

Keep arguing…..

Covid was 3 years in. Trump was spending more than Obama in those 3 years.

Trump hired those underlings. and they were his underlings. Trump seems pretty beta if he just following directions, especially from those less powerful than him. hard to argue Trump was trying to drain the swamp if he let them be his underlings.

Trump put himself first. the tariffs Trump introduced lead to some of the inflation we are seeing today. Trump pushed the vaccine so he said he was the one who created it, and let Americans become guinea pigs for big pharma. How was Trump putting America first when he started operating out of Mar a lago? forcing the US government, and any visitors to spend at his property if they wanted to meet with him?

 

[Sea Ray]

Neither will happen, historically when taxes go up revenue goes down and of course spending never goes down. Now knowing this why would you want anyone to be forced into having more money stolen by the government?

So just because you say it, it's true and I now know it? I disagree.

Revenue went down from 1982-83 after the Reagan tax cut. That loss of revenue forced Reagan to increase taxes during his 2nd term. When Trump cut taxes in 2017, revenue was stagnant in 2018.

lower income tax collections driven by Trump's tax cuts pushed overall revenue lower

U.S. Federal Government Tax Revenue

The federal government generates tax revenue through sources like income and corporate taxes. Learn how much tax revenue the U.S. generates each year.

www.thebalancemoney.com

Clinton raised taxes in 1993. Revenue jumped in the next couple years. See the link above

I think the best blueprint we have for balancing the budget was Clinton and the late 1990s. They achieved this with tax increases, budget cuts (like welfare reform) and growth in the economy. I think that's what's going to have to happen