2024 Presidential Race

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RockyTop85 said:
Even with his behavior being completely the opposite of how I would advise somebody to conduct themselves, I find this hard to believe.

Non violent, white collar crime, first time offender, no human victim, lifetime of at least philanthropical pretense…

Seems like election year melodrama.
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We are not putting a former POTUS in prison. Everyone around him may go. But he won't. Even if that means a pardon is required
 
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LouderVol said:
fire. and or violence.
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I still don't understand what you're getting at.

When it all comes tumbling down, we're all in for a world of hurt and at some point it is all going to come tumbling down. At least at the moment I'm still young enough to be an asset to me and mine.
 
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volfanhill said:
We are not putting a former POTUS in prison. Everyone around him may go. But he won't. Even if that means a pardon is required
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Who is "we". You mean the people that manufactured a whole plot to bring down a candidate elect and President with the whole Russia Gate conspiracy using foreign agents, FBI, CIA, Congress, DNC, media, etc. while on and with the the taxpayer dime?

Hm.
 
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volfanhill said:
We are not putting a former POTUS in prison. Everyone around him may go. But he won't. Even if that means a pardon is required
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Agree.

I read the article. It’s clearly a partisan whine fest. “Oh judge Merchan has been so unfair so you should expect him to put Trump in jail.”

I really don’t think that’s a reasonable expectation based on the facts of the case, the political reality, or the reality of how Merchan has presided over the case. Add Andy McCarthy to the Turley/Tribe/Derpowitz list, IMO.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
But it was a conversation between 2 people. Biden lied all the time and you never heard anyone on the left call for his censorship or even challenge his lies. Shouldn’t people decide for themselves what’s true and not?
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Of course. I've not suggested that the government be responsible for determining "truth." However, I do think that social media outlets be allowed to shut down whoever they feel like shutting down, for any reason they deem fit - up to and including misinformation and lies being propagated on their platform.

Donald trump called people who screeched about free speech "fools" when he saw value in the social media outlets shutting down speech he didn't like.

That's why I can't help but laugh at the hypocrisy of #fakenews guys now lining up to whine about censorship.
 
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Septic said:
Of course. I've not suggested that the government be responsible for determining "truth" I do think that social media outlets be allowed to shut down whoever they feel like shutting down, for any reason that deem fit - up to and including misinformation and lies being propagated on their platform.

Donald trump called people who are OK with allowing social media outlets fools for screeching about "free speech."

That's why I can't help but laugh at the hypocrisy of #fakenews guys now lining up to whine about censorship.
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There seems to be a few issues with what has gone on...

1. government paying third parties to squash free speech... although it might not unconstitutional on its face, it definitely could be used in an unconstitutional way, right? (basically tax dollars are being used against political opponents as well)
2. furthermore, if you have companies squashing free speech as a business or to stop competition and colluding that brings up a whole other problem, right?
3. add too it the tech companies have exemptions under u.s. law in some instances, which brings up a whole other problem, right?
4. all of this summed up is a government/technocrat heaven of some type of controlled communism

If there is nothing wrong with fake news, obviously there shouldn't be anything wrong with pointing out the fake news.

The issue is even crazier once one realizes all the countries Americans thought were free..... really aren't as they can even speak the truth in most of Europe. (not really, or getting pretty tough)
 
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LSU-SIU said:
There seems to be a few issues with what has gone on...

1. government paying third parties to squash free speech... although it might not unconstitutional on its face, it definitely could be used in an unconstitutional way, right? (basically tax dollars are being used against political opponents as well) Cite your source
2. furthermore, if you have companies squashing free speech as a business or to stop competition and colluding that brings up a whole other problem, right? Citation needed.
3. add too it the tech companies have exemptions under u.s. law in some instances, which brings up a whole other problem, right? What problem?
4. all of this summed up is a government/technocrat heaven of some type of controlled communism Communism is a political and economic system that seeks to create a classless society in which the major means of production, such as mines and factories, are owned and controlled by the public.

If there is nothing wrong with fake news, obviously there shouldn't be anything wrong with pointing out the fake news. Is it your position now that there's "nothing wrong" with #fakenews?
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hog88 said:
I still don't understand what you're getting at.

When it all comes tumbling down, we're all in for a world of hurt and at some point it is all going to come tumbling down. At least at the moment I'm still young enough to be an asset to me and mine.
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I am saying the purge likely wouldn't go as you want, as a net positive at the end. Those with the means are already ready for it, and will be able to profit from it. likely will be able to find ways to turn the chaos to their benefit.

I see it similar to how you view the COnstitutional Convention. its a great idea, but you have no idea what will actually come out of it.
 
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I'm not going to go through the whole case file for you, just take the Steele Dossier. It was paid for by the Clinton, DNC and the FBI. What exact part of the generalization do you have problem with? Nobody is going to go to jail for all that ****. Complete utter nonsense.

Hillary before that was getting millions from Russian source due to Uranium One. Of course, those were small potatoes compared to the Saudi money she was getting for the arms deals, see her campaign e-mails leaked by Wikileaks.

Nobody cares.
 
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LouderVol said:
I am saying the purge likely wouldn't go as you want, as a net positive at the end. Those with the means are already ready for it, and will be able to profit from it. likely will be able to find ways to turn the chaos to their benefit.

I see it similar to how you view the COnstitutional Convention. its a great idea, but you have no idea what will actually come out of it.
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Our best bet is to be invaded and overtaken.
 
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LouderVol said:
I am saying the purge likely wouldn't go as you want, as a net positive at the end. Those with the means are already ready for it, and will be able to profit from it. likely will be able to find ways to turn the chaos to their benefit.

I see it similar to how you view the COnstitutional Convention. its a great idea, but you have no idea what will actually come out of it.
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There is no doubt that there will be many who profit from our economic collapse but it's still going to happen, there is no getting around that fact. Our federal government financing is a ponzi scheme and all it will take is people to stop buying our debt for it to fall apart.
 
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Sea Ray said:
So just because you say it, it's true and I now know it? I disagree.

Revenue went down from 1982-83 after the Reagan tax cut. That loss of revenue forced Reagan to increase taxes during his 2nd term. When Trump cut taxes in 2017, revenue was stagnant in 2018.



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U.S. Federal Government Tax Revenue

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Clinton raised taxes in 1993. Revenue jumped in the next couple years. See the link above

I think the best blueprint we have for balancing the budget was Clinton and the late 1990s. They achieved this with tax increases, budget cuts (like welfare reform) and growth in the economy. I think that's what's going to have to happen
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That was Newt and the Republican House. Clinton had to be pulled along.
 
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evillawyer said:
You ride that Vance train then the way JD rides a couch.
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There you go again. Repeating blatantly false information thinking you are clever. You probably still think Sarah Palin said she can see Russia from her house don’t you 🙄
www.snopes.com

No, JD Vance Did Not Say He Had Sex with Couch Cushions

A false online rumor about former U.S. President Donald Trump's running mate, a latex glove and couch cushions spawned a number of jokes and memes.
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But you know, I said I was going to take a truce on politics until Football Season wrapped up. I haven’t been doing very well at that so I am going to try again. I might have to just stop reading these too because I can’t seem to keep my (virtual) mouth shut.
Peace to all.
 
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