2024 Presidential Race

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utvolpj said:
For 13 and yes it was an absolute mess. How many more needed to go? The simple fact is that Trump had 4yrs and didn't do it
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It's not like you just flip a switch and bring them home. That big of an operation takes time. He set the wheels in motion to bring them home. Biden totally effed it up.
 
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C-south said:
If anything he just likes to complain about EVERYTHING without having many realistic solutions or offering anyone who would be better than who we have.
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He's hates everybody but he definitely leans a little left in my opinion. You hit the nail on the head though.
 
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utvolpj said:
So it would take more than 4 years iyo?
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I could see it taking several years.

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As part of the United States–Taliban deal, the Trump administration agreed to an initial reduction of US forces from 13,000 to 8,600 troops by July 2020, followed by a complete withdrawal by 1 May 2021, if the Taliban kept its commitments.[10] At the start of the Biden administration, there were 2,500 US soldiers remaining in Afghanistan and, in April 2021, Biden said the US would not begin withdrawing these soldiers before 1 May, but would complete the withdrawal symbolically by 11 September.[11][12] The Taliban began a final offensive on 1 May and, on 8 July, Biden moved up the completion date to 31 August.[13][14] There were about 650 US troops in Afghanistan in early August 2021, tasked with protecting Hamid Karzai International Airport and the US Embassy in Kabul.[15][16] NATO's Resolute Support Mission concluded on 12 July 2021[17] while US intelligence assessments estimated as late as July that Kabul would fall within months or weeks following withdrawal of all American forces from Afghanistan, the security situation deteriorated rapidly.[18][19]
 
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Delmar said:
On the other hand, she is a trained prosecutor who knows how to handle chronic liars on the stand. And she is a decent speaker especially with time to prepare. Just my opinion but I think Trump is taking a big chance debating her. If he acts like he usually does, there is a fair chance that he will panic, leave the script and go off the rails. And if he starts the personal attacks, he is going to make matters worse for himself among female and ethnic voters and independents. Didn’t have to worry about that with Biden.

I just think it would be a mistake to underestimate her. Biden is basically a vegetable and wasn’t quick enough to deal with the exaggerations. A decent prosecutor deals with liars and half truths every day. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he backs out. Might be smart if he did.
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I understand your logic. But I remember her debating against her fellow democrats during the 2020 democrat primaries. Her experience as a prosecutor didn’t do her much good there, neither did all the time she had to prepare. There is a reason that she, on her own, has never won a single delegate.
 
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dovervolz said:
Ya'll are both wrong. Biden is the biggest liar ever to occupy the oval office and it's not even close. The liberal media just didn't have the balls to call him out on it and they shrugged if off on his dementia.
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Except that his dementia didn't show up until about a month ago
 
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USF grad in TN said:
She's trying to get the format changed to a prosecutor's comfort zone. She wants to be seated at a table with a team and stacks of paper so someone can pass her the planned response to every topic.
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She’s actually trying to get Trump to call off the debate by getting him to reject changes in the agreed upon rules without seeming like SHE is the coward.
 
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utvolpj said:
That's completely absurd. What takes several years to do? You simply pull troops out in several months and bring them home. Afg did enough damage to the US that leaving wouldn't hurt anything.
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Surely you're not this stupid. When you leave troops behind you leave them vulnerable. You have to contingency plan for a defense of what you left behind. Then you have all that equipment. There's tons of logistics involved. I don't think it was intended to be left behind. Leaving hap hazardly cause what happened when they did leave.
 
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luthervol said:
It will be interesting, but ultimately will have nothing to do with discussions of policy. It will devolve into idiocy almost immediately. Harris simply needs to make sure that trump is the one who devolves most. Should be easy enough; he's incredibly easy to agitate.
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So you want her to bait him into mud slinging instead of debate policy?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Surely you're not this stupid. When you leave troops behind you leave them vulnerable. You have to contingency plan for a defense of what you left behind. Then you have all that equipment. There's tons of logistics involved. I don't think it was intended to be left behind. Leaving hap hazardly cause what happened when they did leave.
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You don't leave any Americans behind. You abandon that hell hole and bring the military home. The equipment goes to the force we trained to take over. We were there for 2 decades and some of the 13 killed in the withdrawal weren't even born on 9/11. All this concern over the logistics of leaving sure are convenient.

Call me stupid all you want but the fact is Trump did not get us out when he had 4 years to do so. He deployed many of today troops killed during the botched pullout.
 
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utvolpj said:
You don't leave any Americans behind. You abandon that hell hole and bring the military home. The equipment goes to the force we trained to take over. We were there for 2 decades and some of the 13 killed in the withdrawal weren't even born on 9/11. All this concern over the logistics of leaving sure are convenient.

Call me stupid all you want but the fact is Trump did not get us out when he had 4 years to do so. He deployed many of today troops killed during the botched pullout.
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So line up 1000 planes on the runway and tell them to get to the airport? Got it. I was wrong about you.

It literally took over a decade to build.up what we had there. If you think you can move that many people in that short of time, it's really not worth discussing it with you.

Trump did set it up to get them out. if you're too stupid to realize the logistics of it you probably shouldn't discuss it. You're just making yourself look ignorant and stupid.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
So line up 1000 planes on the runway and tell them to get to the airport? Got it. I was wrong about you.

It literally took over a decade to build.up what we had there. If you think you can move that many people in that short of time, it's really not worth discussing it with you.

Trump did set it up to get them out. if you're too stupid to realize the logistics of it you probably shouldn't discuss it. You're just making yourself look ignorant and stupid.
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I'm ignorant because I think it could be done in less than 4yrs? That's ridiculous. Maybe you should have been against the buildup 🤣

Can't wait for @whodeycin85 to see these insults and call you out. I know they're very concerned
 
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utvolpj said:
I'm ignorant because I think it could be done in less than 4yrs? That's ridiculous. Maybe you should have been against the buildup 🤣

Can't wait for @whodeycin85 to see these insults and call you out. I know they're very concerned
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I started not to use those words but I've seen your post and thought I'd respond in kind.

Yes, I absolutely think it COULD take 4 years to completely leave what took close to 2 decades to build up. I was always against occupation of Afghanistan. We had the capability to kill them like wacka-moles everytime they stuck their heads up.

Yes, if you think it takes a flip of a switch to undo 29 years, I have absolutely over estimated your ability to think rational.
 
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