2024 Presidential Race

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hog88 said:
And we can cut the flock out of the federal government if we all understood who is responsible for what.
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And if state and local governments lived up to those responsibilities.
The problem arises when those responsibilities are not met.
 
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luthervol said:
none.
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You don’t think public education is failing? Do you believe those in East Knoxville are on par with West Knoxville Schools? You’re from the Nashville area, are those public schools in downtown on par with Brentwood, Ravenwood and Franklin HS? No need to mention Chattanooga. It’s private school or move to the suburbs.
 
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CobbVol said:
This is a shiny deflection brought forward by the media to camouflage the radical policies of the communist democrat ticket. Remove the hook and it should heal.
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sure. never said it should change anything, or that it was the worst day since 9/11 or any other hyperbolics you guys are trying to defend. just that it was a bad look for Trump. simple as that. but you guys can't even accept an honest criticism. plenty of Vets took exception to it, its not just liberals making an agenda.
 
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Majors said:
You don’t think public education is failing? Do you believe those in East Knoxville are on par with West Knoxville Schools? You’re from the Nashville area, are those public schools in downtown on par with Brentwood, Ravenwood and Franklin HS? No need to mention Chattanooga. It’s private school or move to the suburbs.
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No I don't think public education is failing.
And they were not on par 100 years ago, or 50 years ago.
 
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Vol8188 said:
So it was also bad when others did it and both yourself and the media ignored it?

Or it was not bad then but is now?

This seems to be a very relevant question to this thread specifically. Not sure why a new thread would be required.
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sure it was bad, your argument is morphing into a critique on the way media presents different stories. This was a bad look for Trump. that is a stand alone true statement.

it is also true that Obama or Biden or Easter Bunny being there for a photo op is also a bad look for them. multiple things can be true, without stooping to deflection to avoid a stain on your chosen one.
 
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luthervol said:
And if state and local governments lived up to those responsibilities.
The problem arises when those responsibilities are not met.
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what happens when the federal government doesn't live up to those responsibilities? because most of those areas need some serious work, and are pretty easy to see as failures.
 
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LouderVol said:
sure it was bad, your argument is morphing into a critique on the way media presents different stories. This was a bad look for Trump. that is a stand alone true statement.

it is also true that Obama or Biden or Easter Bunny being there for a photo op is also a bad look for them. multiple things can be true, without stooping to deflection to avoid a stain on your chosen one.
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It’s not a deflection at all. When I’m picking our flooring for my home, I compare it to other floors. So when you point out a flaw, it’s only relevant if the flaw is isolated to that product. I don’t complain about flooring costing >$1 per square foot if all the floors cost that much.

This flaw is not isolated. On top of that, I don’t even see the flaw.

Were you greatly offended that he took a picture with people who asked for a picture? And if so what was worse, taking the photo or not showing at all? Looking at any event in isolation is nonsense approach. Everything is a comparison.
 
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luthervol said:
No I don't think public education is failing.
And they were not on par 100 years ago, or 50 years ago.
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you think public education is succeeding? Scores and capability metrics continue to fall. Public Educations response to Covid started a marked decrease in results, and it hasn't gotten better at nearly the same rate.

pretty much every single one you listed is failing pretty bad.

the interstates are ill-repaired, with tons of failing bridges, and unsafe conditions.

libraries have reimagined themselves, but usage is still down.

prisons are over populated with huge crime issues, drugs, contraband, corruption at every level. the return rate is abysmal.
 
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luthervol said:
No I don't think public education is failing.
And they were not on par 100 years ago, or 50 years ago.
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That’s a lie. Those examples I gave are proof, you just chose to glaze over it. Nobody at those private schools in Chattanooga will opt to go to Public and those in say Farragut will not opt to go to AE, Carter or Fulton. But those kids do opt to go to Hardin Valley and Farragut.
 
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LouderVol said:
but we are in a thread discussing this election in 2024. Obama is neither Trump nor Biden Kamala. This was a photo taken in 2024, it was a picture Trump used as campaign material, for this election, which is what this thread is about.

if yall want to just complain about every single thing that a politician does, feel free to start a separate thread for that. and we can have some fun comparisons seeing all the things that the right leaning people call out on the left, but ignore with Trump; and the reverse with the left leaning individuals.
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So what your saying is that this thread we should only be discussing the 2024 election candidates, and accept the double standard being set by the MSM and military towards Trump. Because you can't give any decent reason for the difference..it the same tactics leftist Jack like.BB85 employ all the time..."oh we aren't discussing that..just this so the rest is irreverent".
 
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Vol8188 said:
It’s not a deflection at all. When I’m picking our flooring for my home, I compare it to other floors. So when you point out a flaw, it’s only relevant if the flaw is isolated to that product. I don’t complain about flooring costing >$1 per square foot if all the floors cost that much.

This flaw is not isolated. On top of that, I don’t even see the flaw.

Were you greatly offended that he took a picture with people who asked for a picture? And if so what was worse, taking the photo or not showing at all? Looking at any event in isolation is nonsense approach. Everything is a comparison.
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in a popularity contest, sure. but that is largely why I think politics is failing in this nation.

my response on the floors is the same as the politicians. if its flawed enough to bother you, don't vote for them or install it. Its a completely false narrative to believe its only two people running. that is all you have been lead to believe in. in this case your contractor is presenting you THEIR two preferred options, both with flaws, and you are too lazy to fire your contractor, or find the options with flaws you don't mind. you contractor is presenting you crap, because you continue to accept crap.
 
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LouderVol said:
in a popularity contest, sure. but that is largely why I think politics is failing in this nation.

my response on the floors is the same as the politicians. if its flawed enough to bother you, don't vote for them or install it. Its a completely false narrative to believe its only two people running. that is all you have been lead to believe in. in this case your contractor is presenting you THEIR two preferred options, both with flaws, and you are too lazy to fire your contractor, or find the options with flaws you don't mind. you contractor is presenting you crap, because you continue to accept crap.
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So just don’t have floors? That’s not a logical answer. “This floor isn’t perfect and therefore I will have none!”

You also ignored the important question. Do you actually care? I don’t think anyone truly cares that Trump took a photo. And is it better to have came and taken the photo or to have stayed home like Harris?
 
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luthervol said:
And if state and local governments lived up to those responsibilities.
The problem arises when those responsibilities are not met.
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It’s not the federal government’s responsibility to make sure state and local governments meet their responsibilities, it’s their constituents job.

Plus it’s ludicrous to think the federal government does a better job.
 
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hog88 said:
It’s not the federal government’s responsibility to make sure state and local governments meet their responsibilities, it’s their constituents job.

Plus it’s ludicrous to think the federal government does a better job.
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Obviously the key to efficiency is to add another layer of bureaucracy
 
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hog88 said:
Public education - Local and state responsibility
Fire dept - Local responsibility
Prison - Mainly state responsibility
Libraries - Local responsibility
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And thankfully, the Constitution (if followed) is quite specific in what the responsibilities of the Federal government are. And just so there would be no „mission creep“ the founders added the 9th and 10th Amendments to prevent the government from doing ANYTHING more. To paraphrase my favorite Neyland Stadium announcement „Excercise these powers and excercise no more“
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