2024 Presidential Race

[Majors]

I agree for Ben Shapiro's take for once, can we just get back to "normal". I will take how things were in the USA in the 1990s for $ 100 Alec.

I don’t disagree with the idea. Like all things prior to the internet, camera phones and social media things were hidden better. Out of sight out of mind.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Do you think the first option is feasible and how can we get it to stick permanently...cuz didn't the next admin drop TCJA or did it just run it course?

The problem with Reconciliation is you are a little more limited to what you can put in there and you are more at the whim of how it gets scored. Trump will have to find some pay fors (i.e. removing IRA incentives) to make Reconciliation work. The problem with that is business community really likes a couple of the provisions in IRA and you might see a backlash there.

Personally, speaking, I think there is enough common ground between the parties where you can get a tax bill through. They just have to agree to work together.

I think both sides would agree to increase SALT, lower rates for middle class, increase child tax credit, reduce taxes on SS income. The question is whether the Ds would agree to slightly lower corporate rates, elimination of stock buyback tax, and lower high income rates to keep corporate minimum tax and large portions of IRA around.

 

[Vol8188]

I don't think abortion hit like the left thought as well. Trump won a majority of white women. I do th8nk the exceptions should happen and is a good compromise. These exceptions likely account for less than 0.001% of abortions anyways. Most abortions are women having children out of wedlock whether they are unmarried or engaged in adultery.

The problem is you can’t remain in office for 4 years, see no change during that time in abortion law, and then run as the champion of women’s rights who will fully restore abortion “rights”.

Trump has never been for “banning” abortion as they claim. So it became an issue that I don’t think swayed many votes

 

[Sea Ray]

She's doing better in this concession speech than anything she did on her campaign.

I disagree and I'll tell you why with an example.

In her speech she said:

while I concede this election, I do not concede the fight that fueled this campaign—the fight: the fight for freedom, for opportunity, for fairness, and the dignity of all people.

The last thing we need is more fighting. The election's over. Let's quit fighting for awhile and let's try to work together and get somethings done for this country. I wish she'd said something to that effect. Encouraging her people to continue to fight is the wrong message

 

[Sea Ray]

Carter received a 13% reduction in total votes when he ran for reelection
Bush saw an 18% reduction (9 million votes by the way) when he ran for reelection
Harris will be down 12.5% from Biden

Stop the nonsense and enjoy the win

The lie here was the media telling us about a record turnout. Obviously that wasn't the case

 

[volgr]

Democrats, if they had any shame at all, should be absolutely embarrassed by how long it takes to count votes in some of the States where they run elections. Disgraceful.

 

[sami]

I’ve come to the conclusion that there have been generally 3 types of Trump voters:

1. Traditional Republicans/conservatives that refuse to abandon their ideals, so they just swallow the bitter Trump pill

2. Far right and evangelical voters who are using Trump as their vehicle to pass extreme right laws and set extreme right court precedents in the name of their religious and/or far right beliefs.

3. Societal outcasts who feel a sense of belonging in the Trump social circles. It’s nothing substantive in their core beliefs that drives them, but the spectacle, the fandom, and the camaraderie.

But now, I think a significant (enough) 4th type has brought this one home for Donny and company….

4. Male Hispanic voters who would rather vote for someone that scapegoats them than a woman.

Others have already responded to this foolishness, but I'll add this, because it represents everyone I know who voted for Trump all three times in the leftist hellhole of New Jersey:

5. Independent minded people who had become so disillusioned with the UniParty "two party" system that actively alienated hard working Americans, whose interests had been virtually ignored for the 25 years before Trump rode that escalator down in 2015. In Trump, we finally had a candidate who wasn't "one of them".

The people I know who supported Trump didn't see him as anything other than an avatar representing our thoughts, beliefs, and dreams, not some 'cult leader'. It is only the left who views politicians as their gods, but like everything else in the leftist mindset (calling us racists, bigots, fascists, etc.), it is the definition of projection.

Trump has clearly learned from the mistakes made during his first time around, from installing Lara to kick ass at the RNC to empowering former Dems like Elon, RFK, and Tulsi to positions of prominence to picking the perfect running mate to carry this vision beyond 2028. The left won't give up their kingdom without a fight, but it appears that Trump isn't going to try to placate them this time around.

 

[hog88]

The problem with Reconciliation is you are a little more limited to what you can put in there and you are more at the whim of how it gets scored. Trump will have to find some pay fors (i.e. removing IRA incentives) to make Reconciliation work. The problem with that is business community really likes a couple of the provisions in IRA and you might see a backlash there.

Personally, speaking, I think there is enough common ground between the parties where you can get a tax bill through. They just have to agree to work together.

I think both sides would agree to increase SALT, lower rates for middle class, increase child tax credit, reduce taxes on SS income. The question is whether the Ds would agree to slightly lower corporate rates, elimination of stock buyback tax, and lower high income rates to keep corporate minimum tax and large portions of IRA around.

Great, more piecemeal BS that will all have sunset provisions.

If that's the best the Rs can get done then screw them.

 

[sami]

Democrats, if they had any shame at all, should be absolutely embarrassed by how long it takes to count votes in some of the States where they run elections. Disgraceful.

The left has no shame - the delayed counting is a strategy, part of the plan. Fortunately, we had competent people in place this time around.

 

[Majors]

I disagree and I'll tell you why with an example.

In her speech she said:



The last thing we need is more fighting. The election's over. Let's quit fighting for awhile and let's try to work together and get somethings done for this country. I wish she'd said something to that effect. Encouraging her people to continue to fight is the wrong message

It was definitely not a unifying, the people have spoken speech. Her jab at the peaceful transition was petty considering Biden somehow got 81M votes and now that number looks more suspect.

 

[utvolpj]

I disagree and I'll tell you why with an example.

In her speech she said:



The last thing we need is more fighting. The election's over. Let's quit fighting for awhile and let's try to work together and get somethings done for this country. I wish she'd said something to that effect. Encouraging her people to continue to fight is the wrong message

Let's not act like this isn't always the message. Trump told his people to keep fighting because the election was rigged and they kept that up for 4yrs

 

[GVF]

Everybody hear me out, i think it would be a smart move to pardon Hunter Biden.

That would be a stellar political move after the party bailed on Biden.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Great, more piecemeal BS that will all have sunset provisions.

If that's the best the Rs can get done then screw them.

Reconciliation would be sunset.

A compromise would be permanent** (**permanent until Ds get in control)

 

[hog88]

Reconciliation would be sunset.

A compromise would be permanent** (**permanent until Ds get in control)

I can't see the Ds making compromises, anything they would agree to would almost be meaningless in reforming the code/system.

Edit: And I can also see a few Rs resisting real reform and change.

 

[Sudden Impact]

That would be a stellar political move after the party bailed on Biden.

I always thought Biden would pardon Hunter. Now no question that he will.

 

[volbound1700]

I don’t disagree with the idea. Like all things prior to the internet, camera phones and social media things were hidden better. Out of sight out of mind.

Just end all the social engineering stuff (granted some of it started then).

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Great, more piecemeal BS that will all have sunset provisions.

If that's the best the Rs can get done then screw them.

The Rs/business community actually like the provisions that allow green energy developers to sell credits to companies that have the liability. Id suspect the Rs will get an IRS funding cut and taxes on non renewables will be removed.

The corporate minimum tax will largely be a moot point with BEPS and Pillar II. More optics than actual impact.

With a compromise, Rs can clean up drafting errors from TCJA.

Its not what I wish would happen but laying out how a compromise could look like

 

[Enki_Amenra]

She blew through $1billion in 90 days and ended up $20million in debt. Imagine what she would've done to America.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

I can't see the Ds making compromises, anything they would agree to would almost be meaningless in reforming the code/system.

Edit: And I can also see a few Rs resisting real reform and change.

I absolutely agree. I was just laying out how one could look like that both parties could live with....

 

[sami]

I agree for Ben Shapiro's take for once, can we just get back to "normal". I will take how things were in the USA in the 1990s for $ 100 Alec.

Agree, but given how the political left has gone off the rails, that kind of normal has virtually no chance of ever existing again. In those times, every waking moment and every aspect in life hadn't been politicized like it is today, and I fully expect the left to get back to ratcheting things up again when they get over the sobbing and weeping going on now.

 

[adam.vol]

 

[hog88]

The Rs/business community actually like the provisions that allow green energy developers to sell credits to companies that have the liability. Id suspect the Rs will get an IRS funding cut and taxes on non renewables will be removed.

The corporate minimum tax will largely be a moot point with BEPS and Pillar II. More optics than actual impact.

With a compromise, Rs can clean up drafting errors from TCJA.

Its not what I wish would happen but laying out how a compromise could look like

I know that you're just giving your best guess and you'll probably be pretty dang close to correct. If that is the case then screw them. The Rs pissed away a majority from 2017 to 2019 and if they do it again they will lose bigly in 2026.

 

[Majors]

So as usual the mentally weak and soft progressive liberals are melting down in epic fashion. But I a genuinely curious. I have see videos of people saying they are afraid for their lives? That they may wake up and have no rights? And that we are now under a dictatorship?

Serious question. What is fueling these incredibly false and ignorant takes? I mean do these people even know what a true dictator is? And scared for their lives??? Why? This is why so many people make fun of liberals. When Biden won, the Trump supporters got pissed and went to work. Kamala loses and her cult members take to social media and cry like little ignorant spoiled children.

Same outlet that said Trump would be jailed is the same outlet instilling fear.

 

[whodeycin85]

The problem with Reconciliation is you are a little more limited to what you can put in there and you are more at the whim of how it gets scored. Trump will have to find some pay fors (i.e. removing IRA incentives) to make Reconciliation work. The problem with that is business community really likes a couple of the provisions in IRA and you might see a backlash there.

Personally, speaking, I think there is enough common ground between the parties where you can get a tax bill through. They just have to agree to work together.

I think both sides would agree to increase SALT, lower rates for middle class, increase child tax credit, reduce taxes on SS income. The question is whether the Ds would agree to slightly lower corporate rates, elimination of stock buyback tax, and lower high income rates to keep corporate minimum tax and large portions of IRA around.

Appreciate the detailed response..I think removal of income tax is a long term goal..won't happen immediately, but the no tax on OT and Tip is interesting...if also like the idea of a consumption tax...I think with the no tax on OT we would see a improvement on production

 

[SuzyVol]

Agreed, her political career at this level is dead. She can't add to a ticket. Not sure what her next move would be.

President of a liberal arts college.