2024 Presidential Race

[hog88]

True. But correct me if I’m wrong. You don’t have a college degree, do you? And you also have a net worth of 15M. And you voted for Harris, right?

Right, wrong, wrong

 

[VOLS INC.]

Right, wrong, wrong

Wow Hog. I had you all wrong lol.

 

[JOEY’S ALL VOL !!!]

They kinda do, they continually bring up the college educated gap in votes.

Which also swayed toward Trump this time, not by huge numbers, but still ...

 

[marcusluvsvols]

it would be ironically funny if it wasn't so cliche.

I must admit that I am still amazed at the depths of some folks "white guilt". It is so thoroughly ingrained in them that they self-loathe reflexively. The deepest self loathing seems to always come from wealthy white women with nothing to do...whether its while their kids are in school all day or as "empty nesters". As someone who has never even taken 2 weeks vacation in the same calendar year, during 30+ years of hard work...I can assure you that I can think of plenty of things better to do if I were rich and useless than sitting around hating myself and everyone who looks like me.

 

[LSU-SIU]

You're simply mischaracterizing my positions to fit your biases.

I refused to get the booster.......but I was happy for anyone who chose to get it.
I was never some radical extremists - pro or anti vaxer.

 

[hog88]

Lincoln was heavily disliked. even in the north during the Civil War. he only had 55% of the popular vote in 1864, and thats taking from the very pro-Lincoln areas in the north. imagine if Trump only polled at 55% in the south where he had the most support. the messaging on Lincoln only changed after his assassination.

a lot of FDRs popularity is driven from the extremely friendly media, most Americans didn't even know he had polio and was wheel chair bound, makes Biden's sharp as a tack media look down right honest because at least that is somewhat subjective. a lot of the measures he took were busy body efforts whose actual impact are questioned. with some saying the New Deal prolonged our recovery, not sped it up.

FDR also signed EO# 8985 which gave him/his administration the power to censor the media. He also had the FCC strip broadcast licenses from radio stations that reported negative stories about him and his administration, that was prior to WWII.

 

[LouderVol]

FDR also signed EO# 8985 which gave him/his administration the power to censor the media. He also had the FCC strip broadcast licenses from radio stations that reported negative stories about him and his administration, that was prior to WWII.

IIRC the money FDR threw around came with a lot strings.

 

[hog88]

Wow Hog. I had you all wrong lol.

I'm just a poor boy, I need no sympathy Because I'm easy come, easy go Little high, little low Any way the wind blows doesn't really matter to me

 

[luthervol]

you implied that the fringe views were coming from people behaving like radical idiots. they weren't radical and weren't idiots and used actual science and data to arrive at their conclusions. labeling that as radical or idiotic is continuing to be anti-science

There were plenty of radical idiots on the fringe; so many that they largely drowned out the more sensible and reasonable people who needed to be listened to. What would have helped tremendously is if the idiot fringe (which isn't the entire fringe) would have been quieted by the mainstream public instead of encouraged.

Which was ALWAYS my position. And not just with Covid.

 

[volbound1700]

FDR definitely had headaches (look at Wicker vs Filburn) but both FDR and Lincoln are enshrined in Mount Rushmore, consistently rank in top 5-10 all-time as Presidents, are iconic Presidents well known even outside the USA, etc.

At the time, they were very popular. The Southern Democrats emerged because of FDR. I have grandparents that lived through the era and adored FDR until his death. It was hard to find anyone from that generation that hated FDR.

 

[luthervol]

As it turns out, Luther, you are the fringe.

I am certainly on a few fringes...but overall, just a little left of center.

 

[luthervol]

Later -
Going golfing with my son.....one of life's great joys.

 

[hndog609]

I'm just a poor boy, I need no sympathy Because I'm easy come, easy go Little high, little low Any way the wind blows doesn't really matter to me

Yeah, but then you went and killed a man

 

[Vol423]

I am certainly on a few fringes...but overall, just a little left of center.

Your identification of where the center exists is HUGELY flawed. You're nowhere close to center.

 

[McDad]

“ I admit I was wrong. I was wrong only because you people are crazy.”

Interesting approach. I'm going to try that with my wife. Let you all know how it pans out.

RIP future volfanhill.

 

[hog88]

There were plenty of radical idiots on the fringe; so many that they largely drowned out the more sensible and reasonable people who needed to be listened to. What would have helped tremendously is if the idiot fringe (which isn't the entire fringe) would have been quieted by the mainstream public instead of encouraged.

Which was ALWAYS my position. And not just with Covid.

Well much of the idiot fringe consisted of the government "experts" and media.

 

[DynaLo]

I don't believe Russia was threatening invading Ukraine during the Obama administration but you already knew that right.....? Maybe not

Threatening to invade, nope, they actually did it.

So remind me again who was our POTUS (cough~Obama~ cough) in January and February of 2014 during the Maidan Revolution and the resulting Russian occupation and annexation of Crimea, which is considered as the outbreak of the Russo-Ukrainian War.

In case you aren’t sure, an occupation normally follows an “invasion”.

 

[hog88]

FDR definitely had headaches (look at Wicker vs Filburn) but both FDR and Lincoln are enshrined in Mount Rushmore, consistently rank in top 5-10 all-time as Presidents, are iconic Presidents well known even outside the USA, etc.

At the time, they were very popular. The Southern Democrats emerged because of FDR. I have grandparents that lived through the era and adored FDR until his death. It was hard to find anyone from that generation that hated FDR.

Oh I can tell you that my grandparents hated him.

FDR and Lincoln get the benefit of being the victors in war. That's the reason their actual acts are whitewashed and glorified.

 

[LSU-SIU]

You're simply mischaracterizing my positions to fit your biases.

I refused to get the booster.......but I was happy for anyone who chose to get it.
I was never some radical extremists - pro or anti vaxer.

"Believe the science", just don't believe the boosters.

Tell me more.

 

[lawgator1]

why not? we clearly don't have a fixed amount of money in this nation, as inflation keeps reminding us.

seriously how is everyone else hurt if wages/wealth are going up everywhere, but one group is moving up faster than the rest?

In time, it breeds resentment. And when the next big downturn occurs -- and it is inevitable that it will just by the nature of things-- you'll have hundreds of millions of people learning that maybe a few hundred have extraordinary wealth, which breeds natural resentment.

Consider this. In one 24 hour period ten people made $65 billion. That could have made 65,000 people millionaires, for life.

 

[volbound1700]

Oh I can tell you that my grandparents hated him.

FDR and Lincoln get the benefit of being the victors in war. That's the reason their actual acts are whitewashed and glorified.

That is 90% of leaders throughout history. We remember Julius Caesar more than Pompey or Alexander the Great more than Darius III. Let's agree to disagree but I would say nearly every academic article, poll from both sides of the aisle, etc. would align with what I am saying.

 

[McDad]

PSA: It has now been nearly 3 days since we've heard from @evillawyer.

LOL. that is GLORIOUS. Love it when smug, condesceding people get their comeuppance.

Perhaps, since she is a political analyst and all, women's voices on reproductive rights are not that strong, not that unified, and not that important. Maybe they are screaming and the rest of American simply cannot hear them.

 

[lawgator1]

Yeah, we'd be better off if we went to a more state run model for everything. That way everyone is equal and no individual can amass more wealth than the average.

No, I did not say that either. What I actually AM saying is that our system allows the ultra wealthy to influence how they are treated by that very system. The tax code is built to carve out advantages for certain people.

 

[hog88]

In time, it breeds resentment. And when the next big downturn occurs -- and it is inevitable that it will just by the nature of things-- you'll have hundreds of millions of people learning that maybe a few hundred have extraordinary wealth, which breeds natural resentment.

Consider this. In one 24 hour period ten people made $65 billion. That could have made 65,000 people millionaires, for life.

Would you have been happier if they lost 65 billion?

 

[Switch 625]

Dear black men and hispanics,

Your votes moved significantly to the Republicans in this election. You are now officially classified within the Democratic Party and the Main Stream Media as:

Racist
Mysoginist
Xenophobic

Welcome to the Party!

- Republicans