2024 Presidential Race

[McDad]

It is one of our most fundamental freedoms. Don't cave in to those fuggerz.

And thankfully we have a constitution to protect us from the whims of the public. Why would you ever contemplate compromising an enumerated right?

Politically speaking, Sea Ray is correct. Do you throw a tantrum on the sidelines because it's not fair or do you get in the mix to minimize the damage and look to correct the situation another day?

The problem is the one side never corrects the bad but necessary compromise and the other side is never satisfied with what they got from the compromise so they keep pushing for more.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Politically speaking, Sea Ray is correct. Do you throw a tantrum on the sidelines because it's not fair or do you get in the mix to minimize the damage and look to correct the situation another day?

The problem is the one side never corrects the bad but necessary compromise and the other side is never satisfied with what they got from the compromise so they keep pushing for more.

And sometimes it is better if nothing happens.

 

[McDad]

And sometimes it is better if nothing happens.

No doubt.

But in Seavy Ray Vaughn's example, something was happening. The nothing happening wasn't an option.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

No doubt.

But in Seavy Ray Vaughn's example, something was happening. The nothing happening wasn't an option.

This means I have to research the point Steavie was making.

 

[Sea Ray]

And thankfully we have a constitution to protect us from the whims of the public. Why would you ever contemplate compromising an enumerated right?

The assault weapons ban done under Clinton was never declared unconstitutional

Several constitutional challenges were filed against provisions of the ban, but all were rejected by the courts. There were multiple attempts to renew the ban, but none succeeded.

Federal Assault Weapons Ban - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If you think today's SCOTUS would throw it out I say great. I hope you're right and that'd shut up the liberals on this issue and get this off our backs once and for all

 

[McDad]

This means I have to research the point Steavie was making.

Freakin Nerd.

 

[turbovol]

It is one of our most fundamental freedoms. Don't cave in to those fuggerz.

There is nothing fundamental about it. Indeed, the 2nd amendment clearly puts gun ownership in the context of state militias that
of course haven't existed for 200 years (unless you live in Idaho!). It's an amendment--like much of the constitution--that is open to interpretation and indeed has been interpreted differently by different SCOTUS. Anybody who doesn't support a ban on assault rifles is
a crazy extremist. They are dangerous weapons that serve no purpose in civilized society and have been used many, many times
to kill hundreds of innocent people--including many school children.

 

[hog88]

There is nothing fundamental about it. Indeed, the 2nd amendment clearly puts gun ownership in the context of state militias that
of course haven't existed for 200 years (unless you live in Idaho!). It's an amendment--like much of the constitution--that is open to interpretation and indeed has been interpreted differently by different SCOTUS. Anybody who doesn't support a ban on assault rifles is
a crazy extremist. They are dangerous weapons that serve no purpose in civilized society and have been used many, many times
to kill hundreds of innocent people--including many school children.

Well the Supreme Court says you are wrong and need a grammar lesson.

 

[turbovol]

Post a link to prove it , or STFU about it. Everything you post is just BS lies. You dont bring anything credible to the board. You're agenda is to cry and downtalk anything maga or trump. Call other posters names behind a keyboard

I'm not posting links to information that's been common public knowledge for two years, Earl. Your ignorance and your low-information brain is YOUR problem. Try reading a good newspaper once in a while. You can read?

 

[McDad]

There is nothing fundamental about it. Indeed, the 2nd amendment clearly puts gun ownership in the context of state militias that
of course haven't existed for 200 years (unless you live in Idaho!). It's an amendment--like much of the constitution--that is open to interpretation and indeed has been interpreted differently by different SCOTUS. Anybody who doesn't support a ban on assault rifles is
a crazy extremist. They are dangerous weapons that serve no purpose in civilized society and have been used many, many times
to kill hundreds of innocent people--including many school children.

DGU (defensive gun uses) outpace illegal gun events by a significant margin.

 

[turbovol]

Here's the gangster clown rambling nonsensically about sharks and batteries in water. The crowd is rapt with "WTF is this good talking about?"
Nobody knows.

 

[McDad]

There is nothing fundamental about it. Indeed, the 2nd amendment clearly puts gun ownership in the context of state militias that
of course haven't existed for 200 years (unless you live in Idaho!). It's an amendment--like much of the constitution--that is open to interpretation and indeed has been interpreted differently by different SCOTUS. Anybody who doesn't support a ban on assault rifles is
a crazy extremist. They are dangerous weapons that serve no purpose in civilized society and have been used many, many times
to kill hundreds of innocent people--including many school children.

Found a tweet for you to prove it.

 

[McDad]

Here's the gangster clown rambling nonsensically about sharks and batteries in water. The crowd is rapt with "WTF is this good talking about?"
Nobody knows.

If he is truly a complete waste of time why is Mike bothering to tweet about it?

 

[JOEY’S ALL VOL !!!]

DGU (defensive gun uses) outpace illegal gun events by a significant margin.

You questioning the Turbs? Geez man, that’s like a mulligan ....


well spent

 

[hndog609]

We're trying to win public opinion. Assault rifles are one of the issues where Republicans are on the wrong side of public opinion. Even a slim majority of Republicans favor some assault weapon legislation. If we don't do it, Democrats will and their legislation will be far worse

I would argue a big part of the Constitution is to address how whims of "public opinion" can go pound sand. Anyone (political affiliation be damned) that tries to screw around with the BOR and the safeguards set in place there should be met with however much resistance is required to continue having those safeguards.

 

[hndog609]

There is nothing fundamental about it. Indeed, the 2nd amendment clearly puts gun ownership in the context of state militias that
of course haven't existed for 200 years (unless you live in Idaho!). It's an amendment--like much of the constitution--that is open to interpretation and indeed has been interpreted differently by different SCOTUS. Anybody who doesn't support a ban on assault rifles is
a crazy extremist. They are dangerous weapons that serve no purpose in civilized society and have been used many, many times
to kill hundreds of innocent people--including many school children.

The funniest part about this piece of phlegm you coughed up is my 1st interaction with you was you basically making this argument and actually cited Heller. Funny thing though is Heller wholly and unambiguously held firearm ownership was NOT predicated on Militia service and went into great detail as to why that wasn't the case. Even when you manage to throw out something that might be germane to the topic (Heller) you can't help but F'up you're own argument in the process.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

There is nothing fundamental about it. Indeed, the 2nd amendment clearly puts gun ownership in the context of state militias that
of course haven't existed for 200 years (unless you live in Idaho!). It's an amendment--like much of the constitution--that is open to interpretation and indeed has been interpreted differently by different SCOTUS. Anybody who doesn't support a ban on assault rifles is
a crazy extremist. They are dangerous weapons that serve no purpose in civilized society and have been used many, many times
to kill hundreds of innocent people--including many school children.

Crazy extremists that post on this board have proven multiple times your level of full $hittery on a regular basis. The 2A is a fundamental right that gives us the ability to defend ourselves against unlawful violence. Please don't approach the Pepperjax with weak arguments ever again damnit. Return when you are ready to redeem yourself.

 

[turbovol]

DGU (defensive gun uses) outpace illegal gun events by a significant margin.

Ha: The NRA has been making up stats on this for years. It's gun-crowd fantasy.

Indeed, there was a pro-gun Republican state legislator in my state who, a few years ago, got up during a legislative session and told a dramatic recent story about an elderly woman in the state who was living alone in her house when multiple men with bad intentions supposedly broke in with bad intentions. But thanks to her trusty gun, she scared them off and survived the attack. Reporters after the session asked her for details on this incident--where it happened, news source, name of woman, etc. She had no details and refused to provide any. Why? Because, as reporters came to learn, it was all made up.

There are successful defensive gun cases, to be sure--but they're rare. Ninety-percent of the Bubbas who are driving around with guns in their cars, pretending to be John Wayne, or have six guns in the house in case Arab terrorists could try to break down the door in Ames, Iowa will never ever need to use a gun defensively and are more likely to shoot themselves or someone innocent than some "bad guy with a gun."

Also, every gun owner loves to trumpet the fact that HE'S a RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER. Really? Says who? You? Every dude is a responsible gun owner...until he's not. And here's an irrefutable fact: We've got a VAST number of people in this country--men, typically (duh)---with head problems...with mental issues of one kind or another: incels, drug addicts, boozers, anger issues related to divorce/custody/job, not to mention the huge number of more serious cases of mental illness. The vast majority are never diagnosed much less treated. That is precisely why there is so much gun violence in this country. Yet we have Republicans/conservatives who continually want to make it easier for everybody to acquire guns--and it is already incredibly easy to buy a gun in this country. Look at all the road rage incidents that nowadays involve guns. It's disgusting. The gun nuts labor under this nonsense that guns make us safer. Please: the opposite is the truth.

 

[McDad]

Ha: The NRA has been making up stats on this for years. It's gun-crowd fantasy.

Indeed, there was a pro-gun Republican state legislator in my state who, a few years ago, got up during a legislative session and told a dramatic recent story about an elderly woman in the state who was living alone in her house when multiple men with bad intentions supposedly broke in with bad intentions. But thanks to her trusty gun, she scared them off and survived the attack. Reporters after the session asked her for details on this incident--where it happened, news source, name of woman, etc. She had no details and refused to provide any. Why? Because, as reporters came to learn, it was all made up.

There are successful defensive gun cases, to be sure--but they're rare. Ninety-percent of the Bubbas who are driving around with guns in their cars, pretending to be John Wayne, or have six guns in the house in case Arab terrorists could try to break down the door in Ames, Iowa will never ever need to use a gun defensively and are more likely to shoot themselves or someone innocent than some "bad guy with a gun."

Also, every gun owner loves to trumpet the fact that HE'S a RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER. Really? Says who? You? Every dude is a responsible gun owner...until he's not. And here's an irrefutable fact: We've got a VAST number of people in this country--men, typically (duh)---with head problems...with mental issues of one kind or another: incels, drug addicts, boozers, anger issues related to divorce/custody/job, not to mention the huge number of more serious cases of mental illness. The vast majority are never diagnosed much less treated. That is precisely why there is so much gun violence in this country. Yet we have Republicans/conservatives who continually want to make it easier for everybody to acquire guns--and it is already incredibly easy to buy a gun in this country. Look at all the road rage incidents that nowadays involve guns. It's disgusting. The gun nuts labor under this nonsense that guns make us safer. Please: the opposite is the truth.

Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence at all.

 

[85SugarVol]

I just used that as an example. I don't think "gun rights" per se should be ceded at all. The assault weapons ban under Clinton didn't disarm anyone. If Republicans wanna get liberals off their back every time there's a mass shooting, fine, give 'em a worthless ban on some assault rifles with no confiscation of existing arms, tell 'em that it won't do any good and when you're right, tell 'em you told 'em so. And in that bill, get something you want

The assumption being what? That they’ll simply pack up and leave after you hand them their “worthless ban”?

Yeah, I don’t think that’s how it’ll play.

Hard pass.

 

[volfanhill]

Ha: The NRA has been making up stats on this for years. It's gun-crowd fantasy.

Indeed, there was a pro-gun Republican state legislator in my state who, a few years ago, got up during a legislative session and told a dramatic recent story about an elderly woman in the state who was living alone in her house when multiple men with bad intentions supposedly broke in with bad intentions. But thanks to her trusty gun, she scared them off and survived the attack. Reporters after the session asked her for details on this incident--where it happened, news source, name of woman, etc. She had no details and refused to provide any. Why? Because, as reporters came to learn, it was all made up.

There are successful defensive gun cases, to be sure--but they're rare. Ninety-percent of the Bubbas who are driving around with guns in their cars, pretending to be John Wayne, or have six guns in the house in case Arab terrorists could try to break down the door in Ames, Iowa will never ever need to use a gun defensively and are more likely to shoot themselves or someone innocent than some "bad guy with a gun."

Also, every gun owner loves to trumpet the fact that HE'S a RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER. Really? Says who? You? Every dude is a responsible gun owner...until he's not. And here's an irrefutable fact: We've got a VAST number of people in this country--men, typically (duh)---with head problems...with mental issues of one kind or another: incels, drug addicts, boozers, anger issues related to divorce/custody/job, not to mention the huge number of more serious cases of mental illness. The vast majority are never diagnosed much less treated. That is precisely why there is so much gun violence in this country. Yet we have Republicans/conservatives who continually want to make it easier for everybody to acquire guns--and it is already incredibly easy to buy a gun in this country. Look at all the road rage incidents that nowadays involve guns. It's disgusting. The gun nuts labor under this nonsense that guns make us safer. Please: the opposite is the truth.

It's far scarier that you, and I mean you specifically, are allowed to vote than it is that you can own a gun

 

[JOEY’S ALL VOL !!!]

It's far scarier that you, and I mean you specifically, are allowed to vote than it is that you can own a gun

I question whether he/she is actually legally allowed to vote.

 

[Sea Ray]

The assumption being what? That they’ll simply pack up and leave after you hand them their “worthless ban”?

Yeah, I don’t think that’s how it’ll play.

Hard pass.

I'm not advocating for it but if I'd consider it as a negotiating chip for something we want

 

[turbovol]

The funniest part about this piece of phlegm you coughed up is my 1st interaction with you was you basically making this argument and actually cited Heller. Funny thing though is Heller wholly and unambiguously held firearm ownership was NOT predicated on Militia service and went into great detail as to why that wasn't the case. Even when you manage to throw out something that might be germane to the topic (Heller) you can't help but F'up you're own argument in the process.

The Heller vote was 5-4, Ace, which proves my point that the amendment, like most everything, is subject to interpretation by individuals who often differ. And there has been much debate and discussion about the meaning of the 2nd amendment for decades. Indeed, I think even you'll agree that if the court had been composed differently, the decision might very well have been different.

In fact, look at Roe V. Wade: settled law for decades, decided by a Supreme Court vote....and then recently weakened or abolished by the new bunch of conservative crazies on the court who have a political/ideological agenda.

I also don't believe in originalist interpretations of the constitution--and no one should. It's foolish as the country is far different and far more complex than it was in 1787. It needs to be interpreted with a practical and utilitarian frame of mind.

Here's Warren Burger on the 2nd Amendment. You might remember him--probably not: Former Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

 

[hndog609]

Ha: The NRA has been making up stats on this for years. It's gun-crowd fantasy.

Indeed, there was a pro-gun Republican state legislator in my state who, a few years ago, got up during a legislative session and told a dramatic recent story about an elderly woman in the state who was living alone in her house when multiple men with bad intentions supposedly broke in with bad intentions. But thanks to her trusty gun, she scared them off and survived the attack. Reporters after the session asked her for details on this incident--where it happened, news source, name of woman, etc. She had no details and refused to provide any. Why? Because, as reporters came to learn, it was all made up.

There are successful defensive gun cases, to be sure--but they're rare. Ninety-percent of the Bubbas who are driving around with guns in their cars, pretending to be John Wayne, or have six guns in the house in case Arab terrorists could try to break down the door in Ames, Iowa will never ever need to use a gun defensively and are more likely to shoot themselves or someone innocent than some "bad guy with a gun."

Also, every gun owner loves to trumpet the fact that HE'S a RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER. Really? Says who? You? Every dude is a responsible gun owner...until he's not. And here's an irrefutable fact: We've got a VAST number of people in this country--men, typically (duh)---with head problems...with mental issues of one kind or another: incels, drug addicts, boozers, anger issues related to divorce/custody/job, not to mention the huge number of more serious cases of mental illness. The vast majority are never diagnosed much less treated. That is precisely why there is so much gun violence in this country. Yet we have Republicans/conservatives who continually want to make it easier for everybody to acquire guns--and it is already incredibly easy to buy a gun in this country. Look at all the road rage incidents that nowadays involve guns. It's disgusting. The gun nuts labor under this nonsense that guns make us safer. Please: the opposite is the truth.

Report: Woman shoots Pensacola man in self-defense, man arrested

ESCAMBIA COUNTY, Fla. -- Deputies arrested a Pensacola man who was shot by a woman Tuesday afternoon after reportedly hitting her.Denard Smith, 34, is charged w

weartv.com

https://www.ozarksfirst.com/news/local-news/benton-county-authorities-investigating-shooting-death/

Man shot and arrested on city's West Side Tuesday

It's not often when the person who got shot is also the person who got arrested, but that was the case in this shooting on Mendoza Street Tuesday afternoon.

www.kztv10.com

Man who held 11-year-old daughter at knifepoint, shot by wife who was stabbed in Houston

HOUSTON, Texas — Charges have been filed against a suspect arrested in the assault of a woman at 1715 Enclave Parkway about 4:50 a.m. on Monday.

www.mytexasdaily.com

1 Dead After Exchanging Gunfire, Attempting To Enter Ponca City Home Forcibly

One person died after exchanging gunfire, and attempting to enter a home in Ponca City forcibly, police confirmed.

www.news9.com

Note all the above are JUST domestic cases and from JUST this month.

As a bonus here's just a good samaritan gun owner. (also still just this month)

Rideshare driver shoots assault suspect in Stanton | Orange County California - Sheriff's Department

STANTON, Ca. (June 3, 2024): On Sunday, June 2, 2024, at 7:49 p.m., a man reported to Sheriff’s Dispatch he shot a male who was assaulting a woman in the 7100 block of Custer Way in the city of Stanton.

ocsheriff.gov

How about another good samaritan stopping a car jacking of an old woman? (yep, still just in June)

He saw a woman trying to carjack a 74-year-old in Volusia County so he stepped in to help

One of the victims, a 74-year-old man, held on to the woman's foot so she wouldn't take the car. His wife was still sitting on the passenger side.

www.nbc-2.com

How about saving oneself from a car jacking? (STILL just this month)

CCL holder shoots at would-be carjackers on Chicago's Northwest Side

The man pulled out his handgun and fired at the group, who returned to their car and left the scene, police said.

www.cbsnews.com

If you think this is anywhere even remotely close to the number of DGU's in that time frame you're a bigger idiot than we all thought. And that's saying a lot.