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turbovol said:
The Heller vote was 5-4, Ace, which proves my point that the amendment, like most everything, is subject to interpretation by individuals who often differ. And there has been much debate and discussion about the meaning of the 2nd amendment for decades. Indeed, I think even you'll agree that if the court had been composed differently, the decision might very well have been different.

In fact, look at Roe V. Wade: settled law for decades, decided by a Supreme Court vote....and then recently weakened or abolished by the new bunch of conservative crazies on the court who have a political/ideological agenda.

I also don't believe in originalist interpretations of the constitution--and no one should. It's foolish as the country is far different and far more complex than it was in 1787. It needs to be interpreted with a practical and utilitarian frame of mind.

Here's Warren Burger on the 2nd Amendment. You might remember him--probably not: Former Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.



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I guess you support reinterpreting the 1st, 4th and 5th?
 
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Report: Woman shoots Pensacola man in self-defense, man arrested

ESCAMBIA COUNTY, Fla. -- Deputies arrested a Pensacola man who was shot by a woman Tuesday afternoon after reportedly hitting her.Denard Smith, 34, is charged w
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Man shot and arrested on city's West Side Tuesday

It's not often when the person who got shot is also the person who got arrested, but that was the case in this shooting on Mendoza Street Tuesday afternoon.
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Man who held 11-year-old daughter at knifepoint, shot by wife who was stabbed in Houston

HOUSTON, Texas — Charges have been filed against a suspect arrested in the assault of a woman at 1715 Enclave Parkway about 4:50 a.m. on Monday.
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1 Dead After Exchanging Gunfire, Attempting To Enter Ponca City Home Forcibly

One person died after exchanging gunfire, and attempting to enter a home in Ponca City forcibly, police confirmed.
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Note all the above are JUST domestic cases and from JUST this month.

As a bonus here's just a good samaritan gun owner. (also still just this month)
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Rideshare driver shoots assault suspect in Stanton | Orange County California - Sheriff's Department

STANTON, Ca. (June 3, 2024): On Sunday, June 2, 2024, at 7:49 p.m., a man reported to Sheriff’s Dispatch he shot a male who was assaulting a woman in the 7100 block of Custer Way in the city of Stanton.
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How about another good samaritan stopping a car jacking of an old woman? (yep, still just in June)
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He saw a woman trying to carjack a 74-year-old in Volusia County so he stepped in to help

One of the victims, a 74-year-old man, held on to the woman's foot so she wouldn't take the car. His wife was still sitting on the passenger side.
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How about saving oneself from a car jacking? (STILL just this month)
www.cbsnews.com

CCL holder shoots at would-be carjackers on Chicago's Northwest Side

The man pulled out his handgun and fired at the group, who returned to their car and left the scene, police said.
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If you think this is anywhere even remotely close to the number of DGU's in that time frame you're a bigger idiot than we all thought. And that's saying a lot.
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I remember the good old days when trolls tried to ... good or bad, at least disguise their work. We have fallen on hard times.
 
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I remember the good old days when trolls tried to ... good or bad, at least disguise their work. We have fallen on hard times.
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First of all, I would to thank the many, many fans throughout this country that wrote cards and letters to Dusty Rhodes, The American Dream, while I was down. Secondly, I want to thank Jim Crockett promotions for waitin’ and takin’ the time ‘cause I know how important it was, Starrcade ‘85 it is to the wrestling fans, it is to Jim Crockett promotions, and Dusty Rhodes The American Dream. With that wait, I got what I wanted, Ric Flair the World’s Heavyweight Champion. I don’t have to say a whole lot more about the way I feel about Ric Flair; no respect, no honor. There is no honor amongst thieves in the first place.

He put hard times on Dusty Rhodes and his family. You don’t know what hard times are daddy. Hard times are when the textile workers around this country are out of work, they got 4 or 5 kids and can’t pay their wages, can’t buy their food. Hard times are when the auto workers are out of work and they tell ‘em go home. And hard times are when a man has worked at a job for thirty years, thirty years, and they give him a watch, kick him in the butt and say “hey a computer took your place, daddy”, that’s hard times! That’s hard times! And Ric Flair you put hard times on this country by takin’ Dusty Rhodes out, that’s hard times. And we all had hard times together, and I admit, I don’t look like the athlete of the day supposed to look. My belly’s just a lil’ big, my heiny’s a lil’ big, but brother, I am bad. And they know I’m bad.

There were two bad people… One was John Wayne and he’s dead brother, and the other’s right here. Nature Boy Ric Flair, the World’s Heavyweight title belongs to these people.I’mma reach out right now, I want you at home to know my hand is touchin’ your hand for the gathering of the biggest body of people in this country, in this universe, all over the world now, reachin’ out because the love that was given me and this time I will repay you now. Because I will be the next World’s Heavyweight Champion on this hard time blues. Dusty Rhodes tour, ‘85.

And Ric Flair, Nature Boy… Let me leave you with this. One way to hurt Ric Flair, is to take what he cherishes more than anything in the world and that’s the World’s Heavyweight title. I’m gon’ take it, I been there twice. This time when I take it daddy, I’m gon’ take it for you. Let’s gather for it. Don’t let me down now, ‘cause I came back for you, for that man upstairs that died 10-12 years ago and never got the opportunity to see a real World’s Champion. And I’m proud of you, thank god I have you, and I love you. I love you!
 
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First of all, I would to thank the many, many fans throughout this country that wrote cards and letters to Dusty Rhodes, The American Dream, while I was down. Secondly, I want to thank Jim Crockett promotions for waitin’ and takin’ the time ‘cause I know how important it was, Starrcade ‘85 it is to the wrestling fans, it is to Jim Crockett promotions, and Dusty Rhodes The American Dream. With that wait, I got what I wanted, Ric Flair the World’s Heavyweight Champion. I don’t have to say a whole lot more about the way I feel about Ric Flair; no respect, no honor. There is no honor amongst thieves in the first place.

He put hard times on Dusty Rhodes and his family. You don’t know what hard times are daddy. Hard times are when the textile workers around this country are out of work, they got 4 or 5 kids and can’t pay their wages, can’t buy their food. Hard times are when the auto workers are out of work and they tell ‘em go home. And hard times are when a man has worked at a job for thirty years, thirty years, and they give him a watch, kick him in the butt and say “hey a computer took your place, daddy”, that’s hard times! That’s hard times! And Ric Flair you put hard times on this country by takin’ Dusty Rhodes out, that’s hard times. And we all had hard times together, and I admit, I don’t look like the athlete of the day supposed to look. My belly’s just a lil’ big, my heiny’s a lil’ big, but brother, I am bad. And they know I’m bad.

There were two bad people… One was John Wayne and he’s dead brother, and the other’s right here. Nature Boy Ric Flair, the World’s Heavyweight title belongs to these people.I’mma reach out right now, I want you at home to know my hand is touchin’ your hand for the gathering of the biggest body of people in this country, in this universe, all over the world now, reachin’ out because the love that was given me and this time I will repay you now. Because I will be the next World’s Heavyweight Champion on this hard time blues. Dusty Rhodes tour, ‘85.

And Ric Flair, Nature Boy… Let me leave you with this. One way to hurt Ric Flair, is to take what he cherishes more than anything in the world and that’s the World’s Heavyweight title. I’m gon’ take it, I been there twice. This time when I take it daddy, I’m gon’ take it for you. Let’s gather for it. Don’t let me down now, ‘cause I came back for you, for that man upstairs that died 10-12 years ago and never got the opportunity to see a real World’s Champion. And I’m proud of you, thank god I have you, and I love you. I love you!
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The Heller vote was 5-4, Ace, which proves my point that the amendment, like most everything, is subject to interpretation by individuals who often differ. And there has been much debate and discussion about the meaning of the 2nd amendment for decades. Indeed, I think even you'll agree that if the court had been composed differently, the decision might very well have been different.

In fact, look at Roe V. Wade: settled law for decades, decided by a Supreme Court vote....and then recently weakened or abolished by the new bunch of conservative crazies on the court who have a political/ideological agenda.

I also don't believe in originalist interpretations of the constitution--and no one should. It's foolish as the country is far different and far more complex than it was in 1787. It needs to be interpreted with a practical and utilitarian frame of mind.

Here's Warren Burger on the 2nd Amendment. You might remember him--probably not: Former Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.



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So for starters Slick you acknowledge there is no recognized requirement for militia service in having a firearm? Glad you could join the rest of us in reality.

Have you actually read how weak the arguments were on the dissent for Heller? I have. They were so bad Scalia pretty much openly mocked several of the points they (poorly) attempted to make. Here's some high points for you.

Justice Stevens places overwhelming reliance upon this Court’s decision in United States v. Miller, 307 U. S. 174 (1939) . “Hundreds of judges,” we are told, “have relied on the view of the amendment we endorsed there,” post, at 2, and “even if the textual and historical arguments on both side of the issue were evenly balanced, respect for the well-settled views of all of our predecessors on this Court, and for the rule of law itself … would prevent most jurists from endorsing such a dramatic upheaval in the law,” post, at 4. And what is, according to Justice Stevens, the holding of Miller that demands such obeisance? That the Second Amendment “protects the right to keep and bear arms for certain military purposes, but that it does not curtail the legislature’s power to regulate the nonmilitary use and ownership of weapons.” Post, at 2.

Nothing so clearly demonstrates the weakness of Justice Stevens’ case. Miller did not hold that and cannot possibly be read to have held that. The judgment in the case upheld against a Second Amendment challenge two men’s federal convictions for transporting an unregistered short-barreled shotgun in interstate commerce, in violation of the National Firearms Act, 48 Stat. 1236. It is entirely clear that the Court’s basis for saying that the Second Amendment did not apply was not that the defendants were “bear[ing] arms” not “for … military purposes” but for “nonmilitary use,” post, at 2. Rather, it was that the type of weapon at issue was not eligible for Second Amendment protection: “In the absence of any evidence tending to show that the possession or use of a [short-barreled shotgun] at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument.” 307 U. S., at 178 (emphasis added). “Certainly,” the Court continued, “it is not within judicial notice that this weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment or that its use could contribute to the common defense.” Ibid. Beyond that, the opinion provided no explanation of the content of the right.

This holding is not only consistent with, but positively suggests, that the Second Amendment confers an individual right to keep and bear arms (though only arms that “have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia”). Had the Court believed that the Second Amendment protects only those serving in the militia, it would have been odd to examine the character of the weapon rather than simply note that the two crooks were not militiamen. Justice Stevens can say again and again that Miller did “not turn on the difference between muskets and sawed-off shotguns, it turned, rather, on the basic difference between the military and nonmilitary use and possession of guns,” post, at 42–43, but the words of the opinion prove otherwise. The most Justice Stevens can plausibly claim for Miller is that it declined to decide the nature of the Second Amendment right, despite the Solicitor General’s argument (made in the alternative) that the right was collective, see Brief for United States, O. T. 1938, No. 696, pp. 4–5. Miller stands only for the proposition that the Second Amendment right, whatever its nature, extends only to certain types of weapons.

It is particularly wrongheaded to read Miller for more than what it said, because the case did not even purport to be a thorough examination of the Second Amendment . Justice Stevens claims, post, at 42, that the opinion reached its conclusion “after reviewing many of the same sources that are discussed at greater length by the Court today.” Not many, which was not entirely the Court’s fault. The respondent made no appearance in the case, neither filing a brief nor appearing at oral argument; the Court heard from no one but the Government (reason enough, one would think, not to make that case the beginning and the end of this Court’s consideration of the Second Amendment ). See Frye, The Peculiar Story of United States v. Miller, 3 N. Y. U. J. L. & Liberty 48, 65–68 (2008). The Government’s brief spent two pages discussing English legal sources, concluding “that at least the carrying of weapons without lawful occasion or excuse was always a crime” and that (because of the class-based restrictions and the prohibition on terrorizing people with dangerous or unusual weapons) “the early English law did not guarantee an unrestricted right to bear arms.” Brief for United States, O. T. 1938, No. 696, at 9–11. It then went on to rely primarily on the discussion of the English right to bear arms in Aymette v. State, 21 Tenn. 154, for the proposition that the only uses of arms protected by the Second Amendment are those that relate to the militia, not self-defense. See Brief for United States, O. T. 1938, No. 696, at 12–18. The final section of the brief recognized that “some courts have said that the right to bear arms includes the right of the individual to have them for the protection of his person and property,” and launched an alternative argument that “weapons which are commonly used by criminals,” such as sawed-off shotguns, are not protected. See id., at 18–21. The Government’s Miller brief thus provided scant discussion of the history of the Second Amendment —and the Court was presented with no counterdiscussion. As for the text of the Court’s opinion itself, that discusses none of the history of the Second Amendment . It assumes from the prologue that the Amendment was designed to preserve the militia, 307 U. S., at 178 (which we do not dispute), and then reviews some historical materials dealing with the nature of the militia, and in particular with the nature of the arms their members were expected to possess, id., at 178–182. Not a word (not a word) about the history of the Second Amendment . This is the mighty rock upon which the dissent rests its case.

There's actually a great deal more, some of which (by high brow court standards) pretty much clowns Stevens et. al and their contortions in trying to pound the square militia peg through a round hole but not a single person reading this, especially you, believes you have any actually interest in edification on the matter.
 
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I'm not posting links to information that's been common public knowledge for two years, Earl. Your ignorance and your low-information brain is YOUR problem. Try reading a good newspaper once in a while. You can read?
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Haha. Thats alot of typing on your part just say you dont know 💩. You must have failed english like you did poly sci. That's not how it goes, you make the statement, you prove it. But since your too stupid, i'll understand.
 
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volfanhill said:
First of all, I would to thank the many, many fans throughout this country that wrote cards and letters to Dusty Rhodes, The American Dream, while I was down. Secondly, I want to thank Jim Crockett promotions for waitin’ and takin’ the time ‘cause I know how important it was, Starrcade ‘85 it is to the wrestling fans, it is to Jim Crockett promotions, and Dusty Rhodes The American Dream. With that wait, I got what I wanted, Ric Flair the World’s Heavyweight Champion. I don’t have to say a whole lot more about the way I feel about Ric Flair; no respect, no honor. There is no honor amongst thieves in the first place.

He put hard times on Dusty Rhodes and his family. You don’t know what hard times are daddy. Hard times are when the textile workers around this country are out of work, they got 4 or 5 kids and can’t pay their wages, can’t buy their food. Hard times are when the auto workers are out of work and they tell ‘em go home. And hard times are when a man has worked at a job for thirty years, thirty years, and they give him a watch, kick him in the butt and say “hey a computer took your place, daddy”, that’s hard times! That’s hard times! And Ric Flair you put hard times on this country by takin’ Dusty Rhodes out, that’s hard times. And we all had hard times together, and I admit, I don’t look like the athlete of the day supposed to look. My belly’s just a lil’ big, my heiny’s a lil’ big, but brother, I am bad. And they know I’m bad.

There were two bad people… One was John Wayne and he’s dead brother, and the other’s right here. Nature Boy Ric Flair, the World’s Heavyweight title belongs to these people.I’mma reach out right now, I want you at home to know my hand is touchin’ your hand for the gathering of the biggest body of people in this country, in this universe, all over the world now, reachin’ out because the love that was given me and this time I will repay you now. Because I will be the next World’s Heavyweight Champion on this hard time blues. Dusty Rhodes tour, ‘85.

And Ric Flair, Nature Boy… Let me leave you with this. One way to hurt Ric Flair, is to take what he cherishes more than anything in the world and that’s the World’s Heavyweight title. I’m gon’ take it, I been there twice. This time when I take it daddy, I’m gon’ take it for you. Let’s gather for it. Don’t let me down now, ‘cause I came back for you, for that man upstairs that died 10-12 years ago and never got the opportunity to see a real World’s Champion. And I’m proud of you, thank god I have you, and I love you. I love you!
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Yass!

The son of a plumber, the man of the hour, the man with the power. I am the hit maker, the record breaker - The American Dream, Dusty Rhodes

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Trump, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, announced the proposal Sunday at a rally in Nevada, trying to appeal to that swing state’s service-industry workers. Trump narrowly lost Nevada in 2020 and 2016, and the state is seen as closely competitive again this year.

“For those hotel workers and people that get tips, you’re going to be very happy, because when I get to office, we are going to not charge taxes on tips,” he said. “We’re going to do that right away first thing in office because it’s been a point of contention for years and years and years, and you do a great job of service.”


 
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volfanhill said:
First of all, I would to thank the many, many fans throughout this country that wrote cards and letters to Dusty Rhodes, The American Dream, while I was down. Secondly, I want to thank Jim Crockett promotions for waitin’ and takin’ the time ‘cause I know how important it was, Starrcade ‘85 it is to the wrestling fans, it is to Jim Crockett promotions, and Dusty Rhodes The American Dream. With that wait, I got what I wanted, Ric Flair the World’s Heavyweight Champion. I don’t have to say a whole lot more about the way I feel about Ric Flair; no respect, no honor. There is no honor amongst thieves in the first place.

He put hard times on Dusty Rhodes and his family. You don’t know what hard times are daddy. Hard times are when the textile workers around this country are out of work, they got 4 or 5 kids and can’t pay their wages, can’t buy their food. Hard times are when the auto workers are out of work and they tell ‘em go home. And hard times are when a man has worked at a job for thirty years, thirty years, and they give him a watch, kick him in the butt and say “hey a computer took your place, daddy”, that’s hard times! That’s hard times! And Ric Flair you put hard times on this country by takin’ Dusty Rhodes out, that’s hard times. And we all had hard times together, and I admit, I don’t look like the athlete of the day supposed to look. My belly’s just a lil’ big, my heiny’s a lil’ big, but brother, I am bad. And they know I’m bad.

There were two bad people… One was John Wayne and he’s dead brother, and the other’s right here. Nature Boy Ric Flair, the World’s Heavyweight title belongs to these people.I’mma reach out right now, I want you at home to know my hand is touchin’ your hand for the gathering of the biggest body of people in this country, in this universe, all over the world now, reachin’ out because the love that was given me and this time I will repay you now. Because I will be the next World’s Heavyweight Champion on this hard time blues. Dusty Rhodes tour, ‘85.

And Ric Flair, Nature Boy… Let me leave you with this. One way to hurt Ric Flair, is to take what he cherishes more than anything in the world and that’s the World’s Heavyweight title. I’m gon’ take it, I been there twice. This time when I take it daddy, I’m gon’ take it for you. Let’s gather for it. Don’t let me down now, ‘cause I came back for you, for that man upstairs that died 10-12 years ago and never got the opportunity to see a real World’s Champion. And I’m proud of you, thank god I have you, and I love you. I love you!
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42 year old son of a plumber from Austin Texas, dined with Kings and Queens, slept on the cold hard ground and ate pork and beans ... I am Dusty Rhodes the American Dream and I will kick your booty!
 
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JOEY’S ALL VOL !!! said:
42 year old son of a plumber from Austin Texas, dined with Kings and Queens, slept on the cold hard ground and ate pork and beans ... I am Dusty Rhodes the American Dream and I will kick your booty!
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Dusty Rhodes, the only person on earth who brought up his fathers profession, more than John Kasich
 
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Trump, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, announced the proposal Sunday at a rally in Nevada, trying to appeal to that swing state’s service-industry workers. Trump narrowly lost Nevada in 2020 and 2016, and the state is seen as closely competitive again this year.

“For those hotel workers and people that get tips, you’re going to be very happy, because when I get to office, we are going to not charge taxes on tips,” he said. “We’re going to do that right away first thing in office because it’s been a point of contention for years and years and years, and you do a great job of service.”


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How will that work? Will they claim but not be taxes on them? Can they still be employed for under min wage? Oh govt programs
 
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hog88 said:
The only thing the really needs to "get done" is taking a meat cleaver to the federal government, cut that sucker down to mince meat. I think both parties are compromising and working together on that.
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They're compromising and working together to INCREASE the size of the federal government.
 
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Trump, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, announced the proposal Sunday at a rally in Nevada, trying to appeal to that swing state’s service-industry workers. Trump narrowly lost Nevada in 2020 and 2016, and the state is seen as closely competitive again this year.

“For those hotel workers and people that get tips, you’re going to be very happy, because when I get to office, we are going to not charge taxes on tips,” he said. “We’re going to do that right away first thing in office because it’s been a point of contention for years and years and years, and you do a great job of service.”


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Well that’s stupid. Can’t read the article for details but I’m just going to convert all of my wages to tips.
 
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