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As my prior comment demonstrated, what you think you know and what is are not the same.
Your petulance and lack of manners are unfortunate.

Again, for the slow learners:

Take a poll of all of your neighbors.

Do you prefer liver and onions or sea anenome for breakfast?

Whatever the result of that poll, it will have no predictive value.
It is astonishing how you manage to articulate such profound ignorance with the confidence of one who believes they possess erudition; your attempts at intellectual discourse are akin to a baboon attempting to play a Stradivarius. One can only marvel at the chutzpah required to masquerade as a paragon of sagacity whilst spewing drivel that barely reaches the ankle of mediocrity.

Maybe you can understand this better ^ 😂
 
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It is astonishing how you manage to articulate such profound ignorance with the confidence of one who believes they possess erudition; your attempts at intellectual discourse are akin to a baboon attempting to play a Stradivarius. One can only marvel at the chutzpah required to masquerade as a paragon of sagacity whilst spewing drivel that barely reaches the ankle of mediocrity.

Maybe you can understand this better ^ 😂
Lots of words, little content.
You still don't understand that a poll is not necessarily a prediction, do you?
 
As my prior comment demonstrated, what you think you know and what is are not the same.
Your petulance and lack of manners are unfortunate.

Again, for the slow learners:

Take a poll of all of your neighbors.

Do you prefer liver and onions or sea anenome for breakfast?

Whatever the result of that poll, it will have no predictive value.
Should have stopped while you were ahead. Polls have predictive value or there'd be no reason for them. It's just informed and hopefully unbiased prediction based on a survey and aggregation of data collected. So after your breakfast poll, you could accurately predict what your two neighbors were going to choose btw the options, and also which option was the most popular (or if they tied).

In this case the difference would be me making a prediction where the LVs will finish based on my own opinion and knowledge vs a poll of SEC coaches where they predict the finish order and the totals from that are released. That poll would have whatever predictive value you give it based on the expert knowledge and opinion of survey group. Generally that poll would be more reliable in it's predictive value than a simple prediction.

edit: while I was typing you said polls are 'not necessarily' predictive instead of 'no predictive value.' That I agree with, though polls usually are used to make prediction.
 
Should have stopped while you were ahead. Polls have predictive value or there'd be no reason for them. It's just informed and hopefully unbiased prediction based on a survey and aggregation of data collected. So after your breakfast poll, you could accurately predict what your two neighbors were going to choose btw the options, and also which option was the most popular (or if they tied).

In this case the difference would be me making a prediction where the LVs will finish based on my own opinion and knowledge vs a poll of SEC coaches where they predict the finish order and the totals from that are released. That poll would have whatever predictive value you give it based on the expert knowledge and opinion of survey group. Generally that poll would be more reliable in it's predictive value than a simple prediction.

edit: while I was typing you said polls are 'not necessarily' predictive instead of 'no predictive value.' That I agree with, though polls usually are used to make prediction.
This wasn't a poll this was one guys opinion. Just like I have one and everyone else has one. A poll would've had a little more value and been a little more unbiased. Either way I can only accept either when the data of rosters and schedules seem to back it up. This list does not do that except that almost all will agree with the top three. Even then one of that top three is going to suffer with at least 3 to 4 losses just for the fact that they play each other giving another team with a lighter schedule a chance to move into one of those spots. I can see Tennessee with 10 to 12 conference wins. I can't see less than 9 so that alone says were not finishing 10th. If we actually finish tenth would have to be in the 7 and 9 range wins and losses. If that happens this team will be a total failure as there are easily 9 teams on there that we should beat and three where we should win and another one that is a tossup. Only three look to be games where we will be a huge underdog.
 
A good poll or a bad poll is still a prediction. It doesn’t matter how you get to the list, it’s a prediction. Unless you can see the future, which I’ll retract my statement.

And it’s a bad look for the Danny White to fire the coach whose worst year was 4th and to have the new coach finish 10th (or anything lower than 4th honestly). Makes him look dumb.
it's a bad look for one fan to have one opinion that differs from the vast majority,,,Jon!
Kellie was out of her league,,NIL notwithstanding,,she did not better all of her players,,,,Only one or two got better'' ... find out who coached them individually and you find out who the real "positive coaching influence" was

Kellie couldn't get it done
when it came to "team v team",,,the team could pull it out
when it came down to "coach v coach" she didn't excel in those games and it was consistently obvious,,,consistently she got out coached
 
A good poll or a bad poll is still a prediction. It doesn’t matter how you get to the list, it’s a prediction. Unless you can see the future, which I’ll retract my statement.

And it’s a bad look for the Danny White to fire the coach whose worst year was 4th and to have the new coach finish 10th (or anything lower than 4th honestly). Makes him look dumb.
And that has not happened yet has it? You floated this "way too early" pre-season poll as some kind of evidence that CKC is a bad hire but to date all the available evidence is to the contrary.
 
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Should have stopped while you were ahead. Polls have predictive value or there'd be no reason for them. It's just informed and hopefully unbiased prediction based on a survey and aggregation of data collected. So after your breakfast poll, you could accurately predict what your two neighbors were going to choose btw the options, and also which option was the most popular (or if they tied).

In this case the difference would be me making a prediction where the LVs will finish based on my own opinion and knowledge vs a poll of SEC coaches where they predict the finish order and the totals from that are released. That poll would have whatever predictive value you give it based on the expert knowledge and opinion of survey group. Generally that poll would be more reliable in it's predictive value than a simple prediction.

edit: while I was typing you said polls are 'not necessarily' predictive instead of 'no predictive value.' That I agree with, though polls usually are used to make prediction.
In polling like other surveys, there is also the GIGO principle-- garbage in, garbage out. I think this poll was just one person making a guess so a lot of garbage in but it is apparently generating clicks and debate on the out. I only got into this covo with the aptly named JohnnyPain, err Payne, because he coupled it with the statement-- "it looks like a lot of people are unimpressed with this coaching hire." It is not clear that this up "poll", which in this case really seems to be a pull it out of your backside prediction, supports that claim.

But if CKC were to finish that low in the conference, I am pretty should she would be one and done. A program with a coaching change can't go from tied for 4th and making the NCAA tourney to 10th and missing the tourney for the first time ever. Excuses, no Rickea blah, blah, just won't fly. This hire would look catastrophic.

But, I have been lured over to team CKC so I am betting that she can get this group, now with Ruby, at least back to 4th in conference, which given the inclusion of Texas and OK would be an improvement over Kellie's last season.
 
Polls have predictive value or there'd be no reason for them. It's just informed and hopefully unbiased prediction based on a survey and aggregation of data collected. So after your breakfast poll, you could accurately predict what your two neighbors were going to choose btw the options, and also which option was the most popular (or if they tied).
Unlike Johhny P, you are both intelligent and open to reasonable discourse. We may end up agreeing or not, but there will be a civil exchange of ideas and information. I stated way upthread that polls may or may not have predictive value. Let's continue with the breakfast preferences example to show possible outcomes. (1) Those polled will have the choice of either item for their next breakfast. The predictive value is obvious. (2) The sample to be polled are youngsters in an Andean nation where sea anemone is a delicacy served with dinner. Liver and onion is unknown to nearly 100% of the residents. Predictive value is low. (3) those polled are incarcerated and have no say about what will be offered at mealtimes. Predictive value is nil.

I recently received an internet poll from my Independent U.S. Senator, asking me to rank issue in importance. He is running for a third term. My answer, along with those of other potential voters, may inform his campaign tactics. The predictive value of aggregate polling data will depend on, among other things, (1) questionnaire design, including skip patterns, (2) sample design: random, stratified, etc. (3) sample sizes, both total and segment, (4) campaign staff skill set in interpreting polling data and designing responses, and, perhaps most important, (5) response rates by segment and total. In short, it all depends.

Some polls may have substantial predictive value, while others, due to design issues or low response rates, may not. Predictions such as that published by 94 feet, with what appears to be a single author, are (1) not polls, and (2) represent the opinion of an individual who may be highly educated in the subject matter, generally ignorant, or just a click bait artist.
 
But if CKC were to finish that low in the conference, I am pretty should she would be one and done. A program with a coaching change can't go from tied for 4th and making the NCAA tourney to 10th and missing the tourney for the first time ever. Excuses, no Rickea blah, blah, just won't fly. This hire would look catastrophic.

But, I have been lured over to team CKC so I am betting that she can get this group, now with Ruby, at least back to 4th in conference, which given the inclusion of Texas and OK would be an improvement over Kellie's last season.
Your first paragraph has been my point for the last month. It’ll be a bad look if our program goes down immediately after firing/ hiring.

Your second paragraph is the part that I do not think is going to happen. Again, everything right now is opinion and until it happens, people are welcome to be excited or unexcited about our current situation. I may be wrong and I hope I am. Everyone is all hunky dory and excited about the upcoming year until we lose games. That happens no matter who the coach is, so time will tell.

Also, just for clarification and agreeing with you, I don’t put any stock in a twitter prediction. I have just been commenting on it (as other people have) because that’s what this board is for.

And careful conversing with 1rdVOLver. He has anger issues, and given his user name, it could end up messy if you tick him off.
 
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In polling like other surveys, there is also the GIGO principle-- garbage in, garbage out. I think this poll was just one person making a guess so a lot of garbage in but it is apparently generating clicks and debate on the out. I only got into this covo with the aptly named JohnnyPain, err Payne, because he coupled it with the statement-- "it looks like a lot of people are unimpressed with this coaching hire." It is not clear that this up "poll", which in this case really seems to be a pull it out of your backside prediction, supports that claim.

But if CKC were to finish that low in the conference, I am pretty should she would be one and done. A program with a coaching change can't go from tied for 4th and making the NCAA tourney to 10th and missing the tourney for the first time ever. Excuses, no Rickea blah, blah, just won't fly. This hire would look catastrophic.

But, I have been lured over to team CKC so I am betting that she can get this group, now with Ruby, at least back to 4th in conference, which given the inclusion of Texas and OK would be an improvement over Kellie's last season.
Agree with paragraphs 2 and 3!
I feel like if the poster is correct that this is a poll then it is the summation of numerous folks opinions. And if the average/concensus is that LVs will have a horrible year next year(10th!!!!!!) then it would be true that a lot of folks are not impressed with CKC and/or our roster. Lot of ifs there. Who were the participants in this poll? This seems more like one person’s wish than a summary of informed opinions. If we do finish like 10th, and assuredly then miss the tournament, Houston we have a problem.
 
Your first paragraph has been my point for the last month. It’ll be a bad look if our program goes down immediately after firing/ hiring.

Your second paragraph is the part that I do not think is going to happen. Again, everything right now is opinion and until it happens, people are welcome to be excited or unexcited about our current situation. I may be wrong and I hope I am. Everyone is all hunky dory and excited about the upcoming year until we lose games. That happens no matter who the coach is, so time will tell.

Also, just for clarification and agreeing with you, I don’t put any stock in a twitter prediction. I have just been commenting on it (as other people have) because that’s what this board is for.

And careful conversing with 1rdVOLver. He has anger issues, and given his user name, it could end up messy if you tick him off.
Well recognizing that there is a chance that the LVs could have a a bad season (particularly with the loss of Rickea) is a function of the uncertainty that is part of sports. Even if White had hired Gottlieb or some other name coach, that contingency would still be in place, The difference is that a coach with an established record would have a one season grace period, if things went poorly out of the gate.
 
The reason this thread has gotten off topic is these few fans that have an issue with anything positive since the hire of Kim Caldwell can not discredit her first portal class. Four P5 commits with starter experience in the ACC/SEC that fit her system.
In addition, she has connected with all of the returnees and kept the core of the roster together including the two leading scorers from last season Sara Puckett and Jewel Spear.
Of course, if your motive is to spread negativity the first thing you want to do is to paint a gloom picture of the future.
Enjoy it while it last because once CKC starts winning these folks will not post again lol or will disappear for awhile until a game does not end in our favor.
And to even suggest Twitter analysts or analysts from click bait sites like ESPNU might not be impressed with the new additions is just dumb. All you have to do is watch the film. I’ve watched several games. Game announcers constantly spoke highly of every single player that was added. Everyone doesn’t have to like the hire, but the reality is the players added and the core returning will make Tennessee a tough team to beat.
 
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What a disinteresting and total waste of time this thread has turned into.
Great that you're free to ignore or scroll past. That usually works better than telling others what not to post.
Agree with paragraphs 2 and 3!
I feel like if the poster is correct that this is a poll then it is the summation of numerous folks opinions. And if the average/concensus is that LVs will have a horrible year next year(10th!!!!!!) then it would be true that a lot of folks are not impressed with CKC and/or our roster. Lot of ifs there. Who were the participants in this poll? This seems more like one person’s wish than a summary of informed opinions. If we do finish like 10th, and assuredly then miss the tournament, Houston we have a problem.
I don't think anyone ever said the 94 foot twitter post was anything but that site's prediction. No polling data was included. We got off on a poll vs prediction discussion and that apparently confused the issue. In a few months or so, an SEC coaches' poll and sportswriters poll will come out and those will be alot more accurate assessments. They will probably have the LVs a few positions higher, like 6th or so.

With two such strong new members coming in, the SEC will be the toughest it's been in years. A 6th or 7th finish will be very similar to Kellie's standard 3rd or 4th place finish, and in fact I'm pretty sure that's about where we'd finish this year if Kellie was still coach. Hopefully the difference will be 6th with an upward trajectory instead of 6th and mired or declining.
 
Great that you're free to ignore or scroll past. That usually works better than telling others what not to post.

I don't think anyone ever said the 94 foot twitter post was anything but that site's prediction. No polling data was included. We got off on a poll vs prediction discussion and that apparently confused the issue. In a few months or so, an SEC coaches' poll and sportswriters poll will come out and those will be alot more accurate assessments. They will probably have the LVs a few positions higher, like 6th or so.

With two such strong new members coming in, the SEC will be the toughest it's been in years. A 6th or 7th finish will be very similar to Kellie's standard 3rd or 4th place finish, and in fact I'm pretty sure that's about where we'd finish this year if Kellie was still coach. Hopefully the difference will be 6th with an upward trajectory instead of 6th and mired or declining.
I am going to take your sage advice bye ...bye ...
 
The reason this thread has gotten off topic is these few fans that have an issue with anything positive since the hire of Kim Caldwell can not discredit her first portal class. Four P5 commits with starter experience in the ACC/SEC that fit her system.
In addition, she has connected with all of the returnees and kept the core of the roster together including the two leading scorers from last season Sara Puckett and Jewel Spear.
Of course, if your motive is to spread negativity the first thing you want to do is to paint a gloom picture of the future.
Enjoy it while it last because once CKC starts winning these folks will not post again lol or will disappear for awhile until a game does not end in our favor.
And to even suggest Twitter analysts or analysts from click bait sites like ESPNU might not be impressed with the new additions is just dumb. All you have to do is watch the film. I’ve watched several games. Game announcers constantly spoke highly of every single player that was added. Everyone doesn’t have to like the hire, but the reality is the players added and the core returning will make Tennessee a tough team to beat.
I am with you because I am tired of individuals trying to come up with reasons why CKC can’t be successful. First of all she hired good and experienced coaches. She also killed it in the portal. Now we need to sat back and see if she can pull it all together. As fans we need to show CKC that we have her back. We need to quit worryingw and let history prove itself. I believe that CKC has this so lets sat back and see what happens.
 
Great that you're free to ignore or scroll past. That usually works better than telling others what not to post.

I don't think anyone ever said the 94 foot twitter post was anything but that site's prediction. No polling data was included. We got off on a poll vs prediction discussion and that apparently confused the issue. In a few months or so, an SEC coaches' poll and sportswriters poll will come out and those will be alot more accurate assessments. They will probably have the LVs a few positions higher, like 6th or so.

With two such strong new members coming in, the SEC will be the toughest it's been in years. A 6th or 7th finish will be very similar to Kellie's standard 3rd or 4th place finish, and in fact I'm pretty sure that's about where we'd finish this year if Kellie was still coach. Hopefully the difference will be 6th with an upward trajectory instead of 6th and mired or declining.
Yep! At least I was confused over whether it was supposed to be a poll or a prediction. Anyway, just for me, I will be pretty disappointed if we are not top four at the worst.
 

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