2024 TRANSFER TRACKER

[glv98]

CKC has to be able to create a whole is better than the sum of its parts dynamic for this team to be a real contender in the conference which should be insanely tough next season.

Exactly the challenge KJH could never overcome - doing less with more in order to get the "more" type players. Hopefully CKC can climb that mountain eventually.

I can’t talk about this with my partner anymore because he gets too mad at first he was telling me I had to give CKC a chance, and now he’s preparing his “it ain’t working” chants

We're here for you! My attempts at preseason talk are met with "here he goes again" eye rolls. Thank goodness my game buddy is just a text away and always willing, strangely even in the middle of the school day. But in return I had to at least pretend to listen to all 31 Taylor Swift tracks.

 

[Rooster1]

I can agree that her system worked at Marshall. Pushing 90 possessions per game while giving up 67. The opponent could shoot the lights out and still lose because of turnovers. We lost a few games ourselves because of turnovers. Just don't know if she is going to be able, even with better talent, to force a 20 possession deficit on SEC teams. So were going to need to be fairly decent shooters.

https://storage.googleapis.com/secsports-prod/upload/2024/04/08/ae561e39-717b-4dde-a4b0-e5c4b303cf0c.pdf

page 4 of that pdf highlights turnover margin per team in the SEC last season. Auburn was #1 at +5 per game. So it would take a lot of rebounding success on the offensive glass along with fewer fouls etc to get to +20 in possessions per game in this conference.

 

[Raebo]

Interesting.
3 weeks ago we were puzzled.
10 days ago we were sounding confident.
Now we are talking about “potential”. “Potential” is the most overused world in sports. And we are using that word a lot now.

 

[glv98]

https://storage.googleapis.com/secsports-prod/upload/2024/04/08/ae561e39-717b-4dde-a4b0-e5c4b303cf0c.pdf

page 4 of that pdf highlights turnover margin per team in the SEC last season.

Thanks Rooster, this is interesting and helpful. Not surprised Auburn leads since they're known to play the most aggresive D. Their margin was just under 5 per game. What turnover margin will the new style LVs need (in a tougher than last year league) to be successful? How many of the extra possesions need to come from t.o.s?

 

[madtownvol]

When has coach Kim stated that was her philosophy?

She really hasn't except for vague platitudes like we are going to be the hardest working team in the country" that just about every coach espouses. I swear there are at least 100 hardest working teams in the country, She also said that she wants to play at a faster pace and get up a lot of 3s.

Again, you could take 50 different teams and generically describe them playing "at a fast pace and taking lots of 3s" but their specific offensive schemes could still be quite different.

Many are assuming that the LVs are going to be Marshall 2.0 but CKC has already proven though her coaching hires and the players she is recruiting that she is fully aware of "not being in Kansas, uh Marshall anymore".

Also, CKC brought in 2 coaches with SEC experience and I find it hard to believe that she will not use their knowledge to develop a "fast-paced" system that will be sustainable at this level and that won't just be Marshal with better talent.

 

[Volfan2012]

Interesting.
3 weeks ago we were puzzled.
10 days ago we were sounding confident.
Now we are talking about “potential”. “Potential” is the most overused world in sports. And we are using that word a lot now.

Well until we get players like Whitehorn and Kapinus committed or someone that has their track record. The two players we have committed now just haven't played enough to say how much better they will be. One is 8 and 7 and the other is 6 and 7. I think they both can be double double players, but they have to prove it. Players like Whitehorn and Kapinus have already proven enough to be proven players. If we don't get them the roster will be far weaker unless we get someone equal and not a lot of them left.

 

[Rooster1]

Thanks Rooster, this is interesting and helpful. Not surprised Auburn leads since they're known to play the most aggresive D. Their margin was just under 5 per game. What turnover margin will the new style LVs need (in a tougher than last year league) to be successful? How many of the extra possesions need to come from t.o.s?

Yeah, no problem glv. Rebounding margin (page 3) is the other big factor in extra possessions obviously. Foul differential would be another. The numbers between possessions and shots taken per game vary obviously, some teams play great defense and can force shot clock violations etc, but I think the key here for CKC teams is the number of shots taken as opposed to your opponent more so than the number of possessions.

 

[Mafiaboss]

She really hasn't except for vague platitudes like we are going to be the hardest working team in the country" that just about every coach espouses. I swear there are at least 100 hardest working teams in the country, She also said that she wants to play at a faster pace and get up a lot of 3s.

Again, you could take 50 different teams and generically describe them playing "at a fast pace and taking lots of 3s" but their specific offensive schemes could still be quite different.

Many are assuming that the LVs are going to be Marshall 2.0 but CKC has already proven though her coaching hires and the players she is recruiting that she is fully aware of "not being in Kansas, uh Marshall anymore".

Also, CKC brought in 2 coaches with SEC experience and I find it hard to believe that she will not use their knowledge to develop a "fast-paced" system that will be sustainable at this level and that won't just be Marshal with better talent.

She has stated several times that we will shoot volume as she wants us to be the highest scoring team. We will full court press which is one reason players should be athletic. T

 

[glv98]

She really hasn't except for vague platitudes like we are going to be the hardest working team in the country" that just about every coach espouses. I swear there are at least 100 hardest working teams in the country, She also said that she wants to play at a faster pace and get up a lot of 3s.

Again, you could take 50 different teams and generically describe them playing "at a fast pace and taking lots of 3s" but their specific offensive schemes could still be quite different.

Many are assuming that the LVs are going to be Marshall 2.0 but CKC has already proven though her coaching hires and the players she is recruiting that she is fully aware of "not being in Kansas, uh Marshall anymore".

Also, CKC brought in 2 coaches with SEC experience and I find it hard to believe that she will not use their knowledge to develop a "fast-paced" system that will be sustainable at this level and that won't just be Marshal with better talent

CKC at her opening presser:
"It looks like a lot of pressure and a lot of shots being taken. It's playing a lot of players, trusting your players, giving them freedom and putting them in situations where they can make good choices and have a lot of athletes on the floor. We are going to cross half-court a lot but press almost non-stop. It's a really aggressive and fun style of play."

DW at the presser:
I think it's a compelling and exciting style of play. For fans, if you like what you're seeing inside of Neyland Stadium in terms of the amount of points we score, I think you are going to like what you see on the basketball floor, with the offensive and defensive attacking in a competitive style of play. In very short order, we will have the fastest style of basketball in the country.

They both said it, no doubt. And no doubt the 'style' is CKC trademark in her previous jobs. But like you, I'm pretty sure a modified version will be necessary to compete in the real life SEC. OTOH, they do seem to be loading the roster with athleticism over everything type players who are most suited to pretty strict adherence to the 'style'. We'll see,

 

[brittannica]

She really hasn't except for vague platitudes like we are going to be the hardest working team in the country" that just about every coach espouses. I swear there are at least 100 hardest working teams in the country, She also said that she wants to play at a faster pace and get up a lot of 3s.

Again, you could take 50 different teams and generically describe them playing "at a fast pace and taking lots of 3s" but their specific offensive schemes could still be quite different.

Many are assuming that the LVs are going to be Marshall 2.0 but CKC has already proven though her coaching hires and the players she is recruiting that she is fully aware of "not being in Kansas, uh Marshall anymore".

Also, CKC brought in 2 coaches with SEC experience and I find it hard to believe that she will not use their knowledge to develop a "fast-paced" system that will be sustainable at this level and that won't just be Marshal with better talent.

I hope this is true. My partner thinks she’s shown an unreasonable commitment to the pressure defense, and I wonder if that’s reflective of being a young woman who is likely questioned a lot. I don’t think that defense is gonna work tho, so I hope her hires are truly signaling that she is using an “SEC-adjusted” version of this system.

edited: my goodness i couldn’t spell.

 

[Volfan2012]

She really hasn't except for vague platitudes like we are going to be the hardest working team in the country" that just about every coach espouses. I swear there are at least 100 hardest working teams in the country, She also said that she wants to play at a faster pace and get up a lot of 3s.

Again, you could take 50 different teams and generically describe them playing "at a fast pace and taking lots of 3s" but their specific offensive schemes could still be quite different.

Many are assuming that the LVs are going to be Marshall 2.0 but CKC has already proven though her coaching hires and the players she is recruiting that she is fully aware of "not being in Kansas, uh Marshall anymore".

Also, CKC brought in 2 coaches with SEC experience and I find it hard to believe that she will not use their knowledge to develop a "fast-paced" system that will be sustainable at this level and that won't just be Marshal with better talent.

Not that much more fast paced than any other team really. What they really try to do is shorten the shot clock or create a turnover after a made basket. If they can make a team use 8 seconds to get it over the line then a couple of passes getting into a set then the thirty second clock is usually 15 seconds or less to make a decision or get a shot. I would say people saying fast paced comes from trying to shorten the opponent shot clock or create a turnover. Opponents still may use most of 30 seconds for their possession. Trying to get a forced shot or bad shot is a big part of it. On offense I've seen Marshall use a lot of clock to get up a shot on many possessions.

 

[VolFuture]

There it is!

 

[glv98]

Not that much more fast paced than any other team really. What they really try to do is shorten the shot clock or create a turnover after a made basket. If they can make a team use 8 seconds to get it over the line then a couple of passes getting into a set then the thirty second clock is usually 15 seconds or less to make a decision or get a shot. I would say people saying fast paced comes from trying to shorten the opponent shot clock or create a turnover. Opponents still may use most of 30 seconds for their possession. Trying to get a forced shot or bad shot is a big part of it. On offense I've seen Marshall use a lot of clock to get up a shot on many possessions.

No question in the bits of Marshall I've been able to find the 'style' is not often even in play. Because the opponent is not letting them dictate tempo.

Again, otoh, they seem to be building a roster for exactly that style. But you may be right, that may be more a what they get decision than a preference. Alot can still happen.

 

[StepCross]

I get all that, but it still seems like a lot more trouble than simply recruiting and developing shooters. Why the hell go to all that trouble to scavengeing for extra possesions? Just hit a damn shot. All this sounds way too clever by half to me But it does seem to be a 'style' we're hellbent for; it almost seems we're purposely loading up with players who's shooting and scoring is all in the "potential' and "could develop" category. Will be an interesting to watch play out for sure.

It’s not either/or, it’s both/and. You want to take more shots than the opponent, AND take better shots, AND be better at shooting.

Hopefully we will have all those ASAP: shot volume, shot selection, and shooting talent. I’m greedy, I want all of the above and I have no interest in conceding any of them.

 

[glv98]

It’s not either/or, it’s both/and. You want to take more shots than the opponent, AND take better shots, AND be better at shooting.

Hopefully we will have all those ASAP: shot volume, shot selection, and shooting talent. I’m greedy, I want all of the above and I have no interest in conceding any of them.

Agree completely, which is why I'm dismayed everytime we're bringing in more shooting-challenged guards and not hearing from proven scorers.

 

[dazzleme]

I'll say this for Dwyer she is athletic little guard with very high energy. Spencer is that way also. Speed is their game and they work really hard all the time. All the Miami video I have watched I can say that about both Spearman and Dwyer.

I agree. I'll take spunky hustlers with aggressive attitudes any day.

 

[Volfan2012]

2023-24 Women's Basketball Cumulative Statistics

The official 2023-24 Women's Basketball cumulative statistics for the Marshall University The Herd

herdzone.com

2351 shots vs 1957 for opponents. So Marshall took almost 400 more shots than opponents. That would come out to about 12 more a game. They also shot a lot more threes than opponents. Tennessee always played at a deficit shots on goal. I'd be happy if there was a way to get 12 more shots and free throws being equal in any game.

 

[knoxvol52]

Not taking the Marshall portal players plus hiring the two SEC coaches were the most important decisions CKC has made. She clearly understood the assignment. Not taking those players couldn't have been easy for her but 100% the right decision.

Really want to nail either Ruby or King next.

That last sentence is a little perverted imo.

 

[madtownvol]

CKC at her opening presser:
"It looks like a lot of pressure and a lot of shots being taken. It's playing a lot of players, trusting your players, giving them freedom and putting them in situations where they can make good choices and have a lot of athletes on the floor. We are going to cross half-court a lot but press almost non-stop. It's a really aggressive and fun style of play."

DW at the presser:
I think it's a compelling and exciting style of play. For fans, if you like what you're seeing inside of Neyland Stadium in terms of the amount of points we score, I think you are going to like what you see on the basketball floor, with the offensive and defensive attacking in a competitive style of play. In very short order, we will have the fastest style of basketball in the country.

They both said it, no doubt. And no doubt the 'style' is CKC trademark in her previous jobs. But like you, I'm pretty sure a modified version will be necessary to compete in the real life SEC. OTOH, they do seem to be loading the roster with athleticism over everything type players who are most suited to pretty strict adherence to the 'style'. We'll see,

Thanks for the presser quotes.

I am not shocked that she made comparisons to Josh Heupel's offense (she is a savvy person who knows who just hired her). I think the important philosophical point is trusting players and giving them freedom. Kellie i think had a control freak tendency and wanted players who followed the script.

Here is the other side of it: the good (Kellie's stagnant but controlled offense) may indeed be "the enemy of the great" but it is also the enemy of the catastrophic. If you have a team of smart and skilled players, the open system that CKC describes is the formula for success. I am going to commit heresy here but that is why Geno has had so much incredible success. He talks about giving his players concepts, not running plays or executing game plans. The Summitt legacy is running a game plan. Can you imagine what RJ would have done playing for gENO or Lisa Bluder?

So, I think CKC has the right approach but I am not sure if she has the players to make that "open" improvising system really work next season. I am not saying she does not but that will be one of the question marks that will get answered next year.

I think the "we are going to press non-stop" is CKC getting hung up in her own coach speak. No team, no matter how deep or talented, does that because it is not sustainable against other good teams. If you have athletic enough perimeter you can start pressing the ball handlers at mid court and hassle them but that is different from full court pressing all game long- which good teams would pick apart.

 

[Volfan2012]

Thanks for the presser quotes.

I am not shocked that she made comparisons to Josh Heupel's offense (she is a savvy person who knows who just hired her). I think the important philosophical point is trusting players and giving them freedom. Kellie i think had a control freak tendency and wanted players who followed the script.

Here is the other side of it: the good (Kellie's stagnant but controlled offense) may indeed be "the enemy of the great" but it is also the enemy of the catastrophic. If you have a team of smart and skilled players, the open system that CKC describes is the formula for success. I am going to commit heresy here but that is why Geno has had so much incredible success. He talks about giving his players concepts, not running plays or executing game plans. The Summitt legacy is running a game plan. Can you imagine what RJ would have done playing for Rickea or Lisa Bluder?

So, I think CKC has the right approach but I am not sure if she has the players to make that "open" improvising system really work next season. I am not saying she does not but that will be one of the question marks that will get answered next year.

We are going to "press non-stop" is her getting hung up in her own coach speak. No team, no matter how deep or talented, does that because it is not sustainable against other good teams. If you have athletic enough perimeter you can start pressing the ball handlers at mid court and hassle them but that is different from full court pressing all game long- which good teams would pick apart.

Her saying that is not the way her team at Marshall played. They pressed full court on made baskets and not on misses. They were usually running back to defensive positions on misses.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

I'd say Spearman could develop into a really awesome post player. When she got the shots she showed a lot of ability with Miami. If I had been coaching there I would've got her the ball more. Out of three post players they were getting around 25 a game and 25 rebounds. I guess they considered that good enough so they limited three post players minutes.

I’ll just have to check her out some more, but I’ll take your word for this one.

 

[Rooster1]

2023-24 Women's Basketball Cumulative Statistics

The official 2023-24 Women's Basketball cumulative statistics for the Marshall University The Herd

herdzone.com

2351 shots vs 1957 for opponents. So Marshall took almost 400 more shots than opponents. That would come out to about 12 more a game. They also shot a lot more threes than opponents. Tennessee always played at a deficit shots on goal. I'd be happy if there was a way to get 12 more shots and free throws being equal in any game.

That’s an aspect of this system that I believe can translate anywhere and is a reasonable number, 10-12 more shots per game than the opponent. And if the number of threes taken greatly exceeds the competition, all that is needed is a decent percentage on those threes to make it effective in most games. Gotta hit a decent % like 30-33% from three most nights imo.

 

[Volfan2012]

I’ll just have to check her out some more, but I’ll take your word for this one.

Miami may have more games some of them just highlights than any other team in the country on youtube.

 

[Rooster1]

That last sentence is a little perverted imo.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Reminds me of the old joke - we lose money on every sale but make up for it with volume....

I would guess that the real game plan will be to spread the floor with Jewell and Sara (and Tess is going to be needed) and then try to get slash and drive players to the rim. It sounds like the system will also be dependent on generating points off turnovers. I mean this system is basically what Matt Mitchell ran at KY with reasonably good success.

The thing is Tess and Sara can’t dribble to create shots, only Jewel can do that, we need more of that.