3 5 stars - so sad

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Alex10 said:
I guess not man, I think we just have a different opinion of what average is...I do not think the last 2 years have been better than average for us. Average is what i would call it....last year is hard to say because of covid so no tournament but we had a barely above 500 average...then this year we were supposed to be stellar and had a semi decent record in reg season, once again didnt win the sec tournament and then completely embarressed ourselves in the big dance. My position has always been that in college basketball its a tournament sport. Barnes has been at best average in tournaments. I would be just as ok with not making the tournament as i would be flaming out hard in the first round of the tournament. Everyone has their own markers for what is good and not good so if you goals arent the same as mine that is fine. I just dont like the argument about how we are historically average so how can you expect more because again we are historically very good in football but that hasnt saved us from being a laughing stock for years their. Heck Florida wasnt good in football or basketball until basically the mid 90's ( their history sucked) and now they have multiple national championships in both. You can change the norm, and in fact Tennessee made the commitment to do just that in basketball by paying Barnes top 5, elite money. Barnes has come nohwhere near producing.
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Lol Florida hasn’t come close to that success since that HC left for the NBA so what is your argument?How do i get you to realize that Tennessee wouldn’t be where they are without Rick Barnes at the helm? You do realize that right? History suggest outside of Pearl and Mears Tennessee has been pitiful with HC hires in basketball simply because we are not a blue blood. And you do realize being a blue blood means long term success over a long period of time like UNC, Kentucky, or Duke. We are lucky to have Barnes and that is why we pay him that salary it’s really that simple...
 
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wmcovol said:
Well, right now the Oregon St guy got his team further than Barnes did so I guess that makes him better than both, according to your logic.
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His logic only insinuated that of Tennessee’s past in the NCAA Tournament that has nothing to do with today’s game did you misread his thoughts?
 
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Volitaire said:
His logic only insinuated that of Tennessee’s past in the NCAA Tournament that has nothing to do with today’s game did you misread his thoughts?
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No, you did. He claimed Barnes was better than K cause Barnes went further this year.
 
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Volitaire said:
Lol Florida hasn’t come close to that success since that HC left for the NBA so what is your argument?How do i get you to realize that Tennessee wouldn’t be where they are without Rick Barnes at the helm? You do realize that right? History suggest outside of Pearl and Mears Tennessee has been pitiful with HC hires in basketball simply because we are not a blue blood. And you do realize being a blue blood means long term success over a long period of time like UNC, Kentucky, or Duke. We are lucky to have Barnes and that is why we pay him that salary it’s really that simple...
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How do i get you to realize the very simple fact that just because historically you do one thing doesnt mean you cant change your fate? We pay Barnes elite money to get at the very best just barely over decent results...Are you seriously going to tell me that UT is some sort of special case where we are the only university that has to pay elite money for mediocre results? Man get the freak out of here with your ridiculous loser attitude. Im all vol until I die and I wont apoligize for just once wanting better than mediocre at best.
 
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Alex10 said:
How do i get you to realize the very simple fact that just because historically you do one thing doesnt mean you cant change your fate? We pay Barnes elite money to get at the very best just barely over decent results...Are you seriously going to tell me that UT is some sort of special case where we are the only university that has to pay elite money for mediocre results? Man get the freak out of here with your ridiculous loser attitude. Im all vol until I die and I wont apoligize for just once wanting better than mediocre at best.
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You want better but offer no coach who could do better than Barnes has at Tennessee so far...see how your argument is lacking?
 
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Yea but no one wants to talk about the past. Everyone talking about present time. And present time Barnes team has made it further than Coach K and had better record.
 
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Yea but no one wants to talk about the past. Everyone talking about present time. And present time Barnes team has made it further than Coach K and had better record.

Here’s his quote.
 
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Volitaire said:
You want better but offer no coach who could do better than Barnes has at Tennessee so far...see how your argument is lacking?
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nope you make my point perfectly...this is the tired argument...Im not asking for Barnes to be fired, dude needs to be held accountable and certainly held to criticism.
 
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My advice to Vol fans is to factor in what you think the teams true potential is; not what you want, but their real potential. Then expect elimination 2 games before than and you should be right where it will end. That has been Barnes MOO in his 3 NCAA trips while at Tennessee.
 
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Volitaire said:
What? Historically we were average as in not even making the tournament now we are almost every year with Barnes and you are saying we are still average? Do you see how your outlook is wrong there?
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4 of the last 5 coaches who were here for more than a year made the sweet 16. Tennessee basketball's norm isn't the barren 9 year stretch from Houston through O'Neil. We are 40th out of over 300 teams in all time wins in NCAA basketball. We've been to 14 of the last 22 NCAA tournaments, even with the disaster of Buzz Peterson and the one year of Tyndall. Tennessee is not a door mat and making 7 of 10 NCAAs is a reasonable expectation with the funds we spend on basketball, the support the program has from fans, the rich recruiting base and the fact that 68 teams make it now.
 
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vol94 said:
Yet make more money in one year than most during an entire lifetime. I see your point though. Many lottery picks fail in the NBA.
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Another point is they aren’t near ready for the next level. Grant Williams and Schofield were both better than these 5* guys and have had less than stellar NBA careers. Williams was an especially gifted offensive player at the college level and none of these guys possess anything close to that skill while being more athletically gifted. If they leave now they’ll most likely be 2 way G league guys and never amount to much in the NBA. The quick and easy money isn’t always the best choice.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
4 of the last 5 coaches who were here for more than a year made the sweet 16. Tennessee basketball's norm isn't the barren 9 year stretch from Houston through O'Neil. We are 40th out of over 300 teams in all time wins in NCAA basketball. We've been to 14 of the last 22 NCAA tournaments, even with the disaster of Buzz Peterson and the one year of Tyndall. Tennessee is not a door mat and making 7 of 10 NCAAs is a reasonable expectation with the funds we spend on basketball, the support the program has from fans, the rich recruiting base and the fact that 68 teams make it now.
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I would not consider Martin a success one out of three years, and that one was the first four with a SS run. I would say we’ve struck out with 5 out of our last 8 hires, and I’m not including Green, who inherited a good roster.

We don’t have a rich recruiting base. East TN is terrible for basketball. We compete for Nashville and Memphis players along with Atlanta and Charlotte.
 
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C-south said:
Another point is they aren’t near ready for the next level. Grant Williams and Schofield were both better than these 5* guys and have had less than stellar NBA careers. Williams was an especially gifted offensive player at the college level and none of these guys possess anything close to that skill while being more athletically gifted. If they leave now they’ll most likely be 2 way G league guys and never amount to much in the NBA. The quick and easy money isn’t always the best choice.
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When you are a lottery pick, you go. That is not a 2 way contract.
 
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Alex10 said:
nope you make my point perfectly...this is the tired argument...Im not asking for Barnes to be fired, dude needs to be held accountable and certainly held to criticism.
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VolArmy74 said:
4 of the last 5 coaches who were here for more than a year made the sweet 16. Tennessee basketball's norm isn't the barren 9 year stretch from Houston through O'Neil. We are 40th out of over 300 teams in all time wins in NCAA basketball. We've been to 14 of the last 22 NCAA tournaments, even with the disaster of Buzz Peterson and the one year of Tyndall. Tennessee is not a door mat and making 7 of 10 NCAAs is a reasonable expectation with the funds we spend on basketball, the support the program has from fans, the rich recruiting base and the fact that 68 teams make it now.
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Is Barnes not giving us that?
 
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VolMarine1371 said:
Suck so much that he has won 700+ games in a career and was coach of the year just couple years ago or so. Much rather have the coach from Duke and Kentucky, oh wait they didn’t even make the tourney.
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the coaches at Duke and Kentucky have won 10 times the more meaningful games than Barnes has won.....he ain’t nothing but a middle of the road coach and has waisted more talent year in and year out
 
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Volitaire said:
Is Barnes not giving us that?
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Barnes is having less post season success than Don Devoe who was fired and Jerry Green who was fired. But the point is, you acted like Tennessee has never won before Barnes and should be thankful to just make the tournament and lose in round 1.
 
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Apparently the one and done experiment with 5 stars is not the way to go. I would rather have 4 stars that have a lot of potential and keep them for 3+ years. Its called building a team instead of rebuilding every year.
 
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BillVol7 said:
the coaches at Duke and Kentucky have won 10 times the more meaningful games than Barnes has won.....he ain’t nothing but a middle of the road coach and has waisted more talent year in and year out
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The coach at UK...well, I’ve watched him a lot. He just recruits ALOT of talent.
 
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Volitaire said:
Is Barnes not giving us that?
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Im not trying to get crossed up in different posts my friend. My stance is barnes is an ok coach. Im not advocating for him to be fired, I do think for the money he is paid and the resources he has results should be better. If you dont agree with that no problem thats just my stance. I feel he should be completely open to a lot of the flack he is getting because he really isnt producing to what he is making, to those that defend him thats fine to, this is a message board its what its about.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Barnes is having less post season success than Don Devoe who was fired and Jerry Green who was fired. But the point is, you acted like Tennessee has never won before Barnes and should be thankful to just make the tournament and lose in round 1.
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Green was fired for not only in-court reasons. Pretty clear.
 
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TN has historically won 61.1% of their basketball games. Despite all of the poster distress, TN was 18-9 in 2020-21. And we got us a mighty fine PG signed.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Barnes is having less post season success than Don Devoe who was fired and Jerry Green who was fired. But the point is, you acted like Tennessee has never won before Barnes and should be thankful to just make the tournament and lose in round 1.
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This is why im starting to believe my own tinfoil hat theory about many posters on here being UT plants. In any sport there are so many that just expect you to be thrilled with crap results, its uncanny.
 
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