3* millionaire?

[HuntlandVolinColo]

If you are going on composite stars: Berry brothers, Creamer, Bryant, Gaulden, Helm, Henderson, J Johnson, Mixon, Mosley, Paulk, Raulerson, Robertson, Sawyer, Coleman Thomas, Wharton, Owen Williams, Wolf are all 3.00 to 3.75 stars. Aaron Medley is 2.75.

We have already seen great things from the EE portion of this class. As a matter of fact, I can't think of any of the EE laying a turd during spring drills (considering they are young Freshman). Coleman Thomas, Wolf, Helm, Gaulden, Jakob Johnson, etc...these guys are making us better as Freshman!

Also Jordan Matthews was a two or three star and was SEC 1st team.

 

[crusse10]

I understand its not your position, but it isn't even close. Butch signed a consensus top 7 class his first full year and signed a couple of 5 stars. He won battles against high level schools. He has already done that for 2015 as well. Dooley had that initial class that was good with a little help from EE's and then fell badly. It isn't even close of a comparison. Just don't see how people can even go there.

EXACTLY.

This is the exact reason that I'm thinking he's saying, "why are we taking all these 3*s when we've seen that Butch CAN recruit so much better?" He's probably wondering why we're reverting to taking guys that Dooley would have taken instead of continuing the blazing pace he started with last year

I'm just trying to relate one mindset to another

 

[VolFreakJosh]

Dooley took 3*s and everyone said "it's because they fit the system." Now it's because he couldn't evaluate the talent. It's understandable that a person who lived through Dooley would be worried by seeing what, on the surface, appears to be similar recruiting takes somewhat early in the process.

Are you kidding me? Dooley couldn't even sniff Butch Jone's recruiting ability. He wouldn't even try to compete for the top recruits in the nation. He took what he could get. Even these not so highly touted players that Butch Jones is getting, he's still beating out teams like Georgia, Florida, Ohio St., and even Bama. Hell I still remember Dooley trying to beat out teams like Norfolk St., Syracuse, Charlotte, for not so highly rated recruits. Just be thankful Jones is getting players with talent instead of taking leftovers from other schools like Dooley.

 

[BigOrangeD]

you CANNOT do anything about the stars anyway !!!! you CAN watch the coaches evaluate, develop, motivate and execute.....and you are just left to hope for the best, you can always burn a sofa later.....

Great post.:good!:

 

[crusse10]

Are you kidding me? Dooley couldn't even sniff Butch Jone's recruiting ability. He wouldn't even try to compete for the top recruits in the nation. He took what he could get. Even these not so highly touted players that Butch Jones is getting, he's still beating out teams like Georgia, Florida, Ohio St., and even Bama. Hell I still remember Dooley trying to beat out teams like Norfolk St., Syracuse, Charlotte, for not so highly rated recruits. Just be thankful Jones is getting players with talent instead of taking leftovers from other schools like Dooley.

you definitely understood the point of my comment

well done

 

[BigOrangeD]

I'm glad that you know everything about me. I'm glad that you cannot understand that I'm simply trying to relate what he said in a way that will be more understandable, so he doesn't get his ass chewed out.

Your making good points.:good!:

 

[TruTennVol]

I can't be the only one startled by all the three star takes at this point. What's goin on?

I get concerned by us taking so many *** too man. We've been getting a lot since around '08 I believe. A lot of factors have caused the struggles we've been through. No matter what people think, all the *** don't help when you're competing against programs that consistently sign classes full of **** & ***** players.

But we're now in the position where we gotta trust that Butch knows what he's doing. His class last year was fantastic. Especially considering our record the last few years. The *** players he's signed so far all have tremendous upside. Call them projects if you want, but they may turn out to be great players. The star studded players will come more frequently when we start putting up some W's.

 

[mgu7]

3* police checking in. We have several 5* waiting to commit so we'll be okay.

 

[clarksV0L]

position and the automatic assumption that the position equates to more knowledge than people whose entire job is evaluation

While that rule may be true in certain situations, I would not put a journalism major's opinion before an SEC coach's. Dooley, the worst example to use, is almost certainly a better source of football knowledge and talent evaluation than your average Rivals guy. His problem was lacking the ability to close the talent he wanted. It's too early to assume that these guys were added due to an inability to get higher ranked guys. Instead just try to assume that they're ballers and be glad they want to play for Tennessee like the rest of us

 

[fade route]

the only folks here without extreme expectations for the Vols are the likes of tidewarrior and lawgator

Yoohoo....over here.

 

[crusse10]

While that rule may be true in certain situations, I would not put a journalism major's opinion before an SEC coach's. Dooley, the worst example to use, is almost certainly a better source of football knowledge and talent evaluation than your average Rivals guy. His problem was lacking the ability to close the talent he wanted. It's too early to assume that these guys were added due to an inability to get higher ranked guys. Instead just try to assume that they're ballers and be glad they want to play for Tennessee like the rest of us

Definitely. I think he's lightyears ahead of Dooley. The good that Dooley got in his first class is because Kiffin had already gotten them. From there on, it was downhill. Dooley just did so much damage to the mindset of recruiting. Also, the stellar job from Butch's first year (albeit aided heavily by so many legacies) puts an unfair expectation on him going forward. The "you did this last time, so I expect you to do it every time" mentality

 

[Freak]

Seriously, I don't see the issue with a poster asking about the star ranking of some of our commits. Sure, the answers may be: look at the offer lists, recruiting analysts suck, check their film, trust Butch, these guys are underrated, they fit a specific need, or maybe it's just when taking a full class you can't sign all four and five star guys.

Maybe the OP just needs reassurance that these guys are worthy of wearing the orange? Not everyone follows recruiting as closely as many of you do.

Or maybe the OP is a troll and I'm clueless.

Regardless of your opinion, let's keep it civil in this forum and refrain from personal attacks. Please?

 

[DeekT]

Glad Butch is not a star gazer. We are at or near the top of a lot of 5* recruits but he is taking commitments from 3* guys. Why? Because he and his staff see something that we don't. He's not settling!! He's picking who he wants. Their star status will change by the end of their senior year.

 

[Vol_sanity]

Glad Butch is not a star gazer. We are at or near the top of a lot of 5* recruits but he is taking commitments from 3* guys. Why? Because he and his staff see something that we don't. He's not settling!! He's picking who he wants. Their star status will change by the end of their senior year.

Good post!! Agree completely

 

[KnoxVillain]

When it comes to talent evaluation who are you going to trust? Our coaching staff or some guys who got a journalism degree in college and had an interest in sports? I'll take the ones who actually knows the ins and outs of the sport.

 

[clarksV0L]

Definitely. I think he's lightyears ahead of Dooley. The good that Dooley got in his first class is because Kiffin had already gotten them. From there on, it was downhill. Dooley just did so much damage to the mindset of recruiting. Also, the stellar job from Butch's first year (albeit aided heavily by so many legacies) puts an unfair expectation on him going forward. The "you did this last time, so I expect you to do it every time" mentality

I wonder how last year's class would have shaped up if we hadn't landed Todd Kelly at the time we did.

 

[Freak]

When it comes to talent evaluation who are you going to trust? Our coaching staff or some guys who got a journalism degree in college and had an interest in sports? I'll take the ones who actually knows the ins and outs of the sport.

Thats a fair stance KV. So in your opinion any commit Butch takes is a good one, and for you the rest is just noise?

 

[VonVol]

I hope you're right... Just a little startled at this point.

You startle easily.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

At this point last year, how many of the UT recruits were rated 2*-3*s, but were bumped up to 3*-4*-5*s later in the cycle? I'm really not sure the answer.

I think this is a legitimate question to ask and a legitimate concern to have, especially considering how several recent recruiting classes BCJ (Before Coach Jones) were built. Checking out a player's star ranking can be the easiest way for a casual fan, or someone just learning about the recruiting process, to get a feel on the talent being brought in.

The best answer/advice I've heard, or could give, would be that it is still too early to put any significance on current star ratings. This is due to a few factors, including a recruit's lack of overall evaluation in the early stage of the cycle.

I'm sure it's been pointed out more than once that the current star ratings will probably only be a shadow of what they are on NSD. Understanding how much a player's stock can rise or fall during the course of a recruiting cycle is one of the most important things to know when you decide to closely follow the assembly of a full recruiting class.

I'm not really an expert at all, these are just some of the things I learned from others on VN and from seeing how many recruiting cycles have unfolded over the years.

 

[BigOrangeD]

Seriously, I don't see the issue with a poster asking about the star ranking of some of our commits. Sure, the answers may be: look at the offer lists, recruiting analysts suck, check their film, trust Butch, these guys are underrated, they fit a specific need, or maybe it's just when taking a full class you can't sign all four and five star guys.

Maybe the OP just needs reassurance that these guys are worthy of wearing the orange? Not everyone follows recruiting as closely as many of you do.

Or maybe the OP is a troll and I'm clueless.

Regardless of your opinion, let's keep it civil in this forum and refrain from personal attacks. Please?

:good!:

 

[crusse10]

When it comes to talent evaluation who are you going to trust? Our coaching staff or some guys who got a journalism degree in college and had an interest in sports? I'll take the ones who actually knows the ins and outs of the sport.

August, 2011:

I agree, this class is not starting off like it has in the past... but kids are taking the wait and see approach with UT right now. Wanting to make sure we have a coach that will stay longer than 1 season, and we didn't exactly have a stellar season last year(s).

Give Dooley time, he will finish strong just like he did last year. Half the kids we've signed so far came out of left field... We were not listed in their top 5 or whatever, Dooley will surprise us with some recruits.

Go Vols! It's almost time

What makes you qualified to say that any of these prospects are or are not good?
Until you can show me that you are on a staff at any college program in division 1 then you're opinion is just as equal to mine, nothing.
How about you come back in 2 years and then 3 years and let me know how your prognostication turned out. Go spend hundreds of hours looking at film and visiting these guys in person and then see them play in person and then come back and let me know your opinion because only then can you give any kind of judgement on who is good or not.

Question, how many people thought Lane had a good class? I did when he was getting them in and everything looked great. Now, not so much. I think there is only 10 left. We are a long time away for February and the stars will move. I trust that our coaching staff is very good at evaluating talent. Dooley was a monster at LSU in recruiting, why do we not trust our staff?

You do understand that coaches don't look at "star" rankings by a recruiting service don't you?
Secondly, these are all camp evaluations so I think the coaches opinions of these players far outweigh yours.
By all means though, please give everyone your uninformed analysis on each of these players since you have evaluated them.
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The more you talk the worse it is getting.
It's amazing that the "recruiting services with recruiting experts" seem to be so way off on so many prospests.
But, wait no it's not. You can't tell the future and no one has any idea of what life is going to decide is going to happen. What tragedies, injuries, life changing situations, circumstances, and events will happen in a six month, year, or 4 year time frame.
You are unhappy with the perception, the perception that some fat guy with a keyboard says you are to believe. How many of these experts played football, played at a college level, or at a pro level?
Believe what you want from these guys, I'll wait and see. To be honest, I have not felt more comfortable with a UT coaching staff in the last 10 years as I do with this one. But, I'll hold my judgement until there is reason to prove or disprove how I feel.

 

[Hacksaw]

Jesus was a 3-star.

...a lot of people don't know that.

 

[Vols4us]

I thought for sure this was a FF thread. The RF is for people that have a clue about football. The RF uses recruiting services' ratings as tools, not the end all be all. The FF is for star gazing. JMO.

 

[crusse10]

I thought for sure this was a FF thread. The RF is for people that have a clue about football. The RF uses recruiting services' ratings as tools, not the end all be all. The FF is for star gazing. JMO.

Translation: I read information from recruiting services and determine that they're wrong because my coach likes the player, therefore I'm better than people who think the information from recruiting services has merit.

 

[Freak]

I thought for sure this was a FF thread. The RF is for people that have a clue about football. The RF uses recruiting services' ratings as tools, not the end all be all. The FF is for star gazing. JMO.

I post in the football forum and I wasn't aware that's the only place star gazing is allowed.

So your answer to the OP is stars are only a tool. What else do you personally look at? Do you watch film?