3* millionaire?

[utvols74]

I understand the anxiety of "stars" but I also trust coach interviews with players/family, film study, summer camps, etc.

Lets just chalk this thread and associated anxiety up that we're all near the college football point of death due to the lack of football nourishment (wins and bowl games). When you get dehydrated/famished, you're likely to hallucinate a bit....and star rankings help in that hallucinogenic state.

 

[Big151Orange]

If they do well here and can't get a job after the fact, their time in college is for naught. That means that the coaching staff forced them to work incredibly hard to not be prepared for any job in the field they want to be in. That's failure, in my opinion.

So in your opinion, success in the NFL is the only thing these high school kids need to aspire to? Is it all or nothing, either succeed in the NFL or you're a complete failure as a human being?

I enjoy vols football as much as the next guy, but their are far more important matters in life than making it to the NFL, or even playing college football for that matter.

 

[Burger]

So in your opinion, success in the NFL is the only thing these high school kids need to aspire to? Is it all or nothing, either succeed in the NFL or you're a complete failure as a human being?

I enjoy vols football as much as the next guy, but their are far more important matters in life than making it to the NFL, or even playing college football for that matter.

Players need to get their degree for this reason. It's important to have a foothold into their career lives after the NFL anyways.

I bet vn can evaluate better than the services.

 

[Wickman]

Seriously, I don't see the issue with a poster asking about the star ranking of some of our commits. Sure, the answers may be: look at the offer lists, recruiting analysts suck, check their film, trust Butch, these guys are underrated, they fit a specific need, or maybe it's just when taking a full class you can't sign all four and five star guys.

Maybe the OP just needs reassurance that these guys are worthy of wearing the orange? Not everyone follows recruiting as closely as many of you do.

Or maybe the OP is a troll and I'm clueless.

Regardless of your opinion, let's keep it civil in this forum and refrain from personal attacks. Please?

Look at the pretentious response from this guy. Sitting on his high horse, getting fanned by Mexican slaves and ruling over everyone. Like he runs the board or something

 

[tnvols72]

Dumbest thread of the year nominee!

you have not seen Woodsman/Beattie threads then.

 

[tnvols72]

Look at the pretentious response from this guy. Sitting on his high horse, getting fanned by Mexican slaves and ruling over everyone. Like he runs the board or something

^ Freak will have fun with this one

 

[crusse10]

So in your opinion, success in the NFL is the only thing these high school kids need to aspire to? Is it all or nothing, either succeed in the NFL or you're a complete failure as a human being?

I enjoy vols football as much as the next guy, but their are far more important matters in life than making it to the NFL, or even playing college football for that matter.

Let's say that your average senior starting football player in the SEC plays 4 years of college, 4 years of high school, 2 years of middle school, and at least 3 years before that. 13 years of their life has been dedicated to getting better at football.

If they come here and do that, the assumption is that their life goal is the NFL.

If our coaches explicitly attempt to not prepare them for life after college, just like any professor, they have failed the students.

 

[Burger]

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Let's say that your average senior starting football player in the SEC plays 4 years of college, 4 years of high school, 2 years of middle school, and at least 3 years before that. 13 years of their life has been dedicated to getting better at football.

If they come here and do that, the assumption is that their life goal is the NFL.

If our coaches explicitly attempt to not prepare them for life after college, just like any professor, they have failed the students.

The chance of making the NFL are around a half of a percent. They're more likely to fail than succed. Why blame it all on the coaches? Where's individual accountability?

Coaches can't do it all. The player has to have enough talent and skill on their own to make it. The coach's only job is to win.

 

[Big151Orange]

Let's say that your average senior starting football player in the SEC plays 4 years of college, 4 years of high school, 2 years of middle school, and at least 3 years before that. 13 years of their life has been dedicated to getting better at football.

If they come here and do that, the assumption is that their life goal is the NFL.

If our coaches explicitly attempt to not prepare them for life after college, just like any professor, they have failed the students.

Don't know how to reply to " coaches explicitly attempt to not prepare them for life after college". Don't know of a single coach who deliberately attempts to do that.

 

[crusse10]

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The chance of making the NFL are around a half of a percent. They're more likely to fail than succed. Why blame it all on the coaches? Where's individual accountability?

The chances of a senior starter at a good SEC school getting drafted, though, is much much higher. I'm not saying that everyone should get into the NFL. I'm saying that a decent amount of starters should.

The person who brought this up, though, said he'd be fine if nobody made it in the NFL as long as UT succeeds.

To me, that result equates to failure.

The opposite thought is the worst level of selfishness possible. "I don't care if they succeed in their life, as long as I can say that the team I like did well that year."

 

[callmecrockett]

Let's just get right to the meat and potatoes. Would you trade for bama's class right now, or keep ours? I think that if it was possible, you guys would take bamas class and talk trash about how you're out recruiting everyone because of all the stars. So stfu if you think stars mean nothing. And just as a reminder, a minimal amount of Butch's recruits have ever actually seen SEC play. So hold off on the "holy savior class" of 2014. You guys all trust in butch as the glorious leader of tennessee but has accomplished nothing except being better than Dooley and Kiffin, which isn't much unless you still hold some sort of hidden love for those guys that I am missing.

 

[crusse10]

Don't know how to reply to " coaches explicitly attempt to not prepare them for life after college". Don't know of a single coach who deliberately attempts to do that.

Using a gimmicky offense like what Nebraska was considered in their heyday would be not preparing them for an NFL career.

 

[Wickman]

Let's just get right to the meat and potatoes. Would you trade for bama's class right now, or keep ours? I think that if it was possible, you guys would take bamas class and talk trash about how you're out recruiting everyone because of all the stars. So stfu if you think stars mean nothing. And just as a reminder, a minimal amount of Butch's recruits have ever actually seen SEC play. So hold off on the "holy savior class" of 2014. You guys all trust in butch as the glorious leader of tennessee but has accomplished nothing except being better than Dooley and Kiffin, which isn't much unless you still hold some sort of hidden love for those guys that I am missing.

So you don't think what he is doing is remarkable after 4 straight losing seasons

 

[Burger]

The chances of a senior starter at a good SEC school getting drafted, though, is much much higher. I'm not saying that everyone should get into the NFL. I'm saying that a decent amount of starters should.

The person who brought this up, though, said he'd be fine if nobody made it in the NFL as long as UT succeeds.

To me, that result equates to failure.

The opposite thought is the worst level of selfishness possible. "I don't care if they succeed in their life, as long as I can say that the team I like did well that year."

I like for our guys to make the league, but the success of the team comes first. I'd rather have a title and nobody makes the NFL rather a eight win season where a lot of players make the pros.

 

[crusse10]

I like for our guys to make the league, but the success of the team comes first. I'd rather have a title and nobody makes the NFL rather a eight win season where a lot of players make the pros.

Put players in the NFL year in and year out with better coaching in college, and the wins will come. I want success for the players, because that's what will bring more players. I want the players to come to UT, hone their skills, and go on to succeed on Sundays.

Not caring about the future of athletes who receive no funding to play for your enjoyment is asinine.

 

[Big151Orange]

The chances of a senior starter at a good SEC school getting drafted, though, is much much higher. I'm not saying that everyone should get into the NFL. I'm saying that a decent amount of starters should.

The person who brought this up, though, said he'd be fine if nobody made it in the NFL as long as UT succeeds.

To me, that result equates to failure.

The opposite thought is the worst level of selfishness possible. "I don't care if they succeed in their life, as long as I can say that the team I like did well that year."

When did I say I don't care if they succeed in life? You and I differ in what makes a person successful. I see far more opportunities for success outside of football than inside football.

 

[callmecrockett]

So you don't think what he is doing is remarkable after 4 straight losing seasons

Yeah, I think it is a welcome change. I think it is the right direction, and we need a coach like him to get get us back on track to win some games. But in all honesty, I have seen nothing so far that convinces me that he is some god of a talent evaluator like some think. Also, I haven't seen anything that makes me think he is going to be a perennial contender for titles. Now let me say this, IM NOT SAYING THAT HE WONT COMPETE FOR TITLES OR THAT HE ISNT A GREAT TALENT EVALUATOR, I'm just saying I haven't seen the proof yet. Did you think about my trading classes with bama question? Would you do it?

 

[Burger]

Put players in the NFL year in and year out with better coaching in college, and the wins will come. I want success for the players, because that's what will bring more players. I want the players to come to UT, hone their skills, and go on to succeed on Sundays.

Not caring about the future of athletes who receive no funding to play for your enjoyment is asinine.

I always want our guys to be successful on and off the field. Winning is just more important.

 

[crusse10]

When did I say I don't care if they succeed in life? You and I differ in what makes a person successful. I see far more opportunities for success outside of football than inside football.

Success to a senior starter of a good SEC football team is the NFL. If you think it's anything else, you're fooling yourself.

 

[PassedOutAwake]

Let's just get right to the meat and potatoes. Would you trade for bama's class right now, or keep ours? I think that if it was possible, you guys would take bamas class and talk trash about how you're out recruiting everyone because of all the stars. So stfu if you think stars mean nothing. And just as a reminder, a minimal amount of Butch's recruits have ever actually seen SEC play. So hold off on the "holy savior class" of 2014. You guys all trust in butch as the glorious leader of tennessee but has accomplished nothing except being better than Dooley and Kiffin, which isn't much unless you still hold some sort of hidden love for those guys that I am missing.

North 6.0 4*
Swafford 5.4 2*
Josh Dobbs 5.7 3*
Dylan Wiesman 5.6 3*
AJ Branisel 5.6 3*

All of these guys did well for freshman last year. If stars matter so much, then why did Vandy beat UT, UGA and UF last year?

 

[Burger]

North 6.0 4*
Swafford 5.4 2*
Josh Dobbs 5.7 3*
Dylan Wiesman 5.6 3*
AJ Branisel 5.6 3*

All of these guys did well for freshman last year. If stars matter so much, then why did Vandy beat UT, UGA and UF last year?

They don't matter. I propose we start with a poll with who deserves what star. That'll be our New star rating.

 

[crusse10]

I always want our guys to be successful on and off the field. Winning is just more important.

That which you can say with absolutely nothing invested in the program. You could literally hop on a plane, fly to Greece, and never once mention Tennessee again, and it would have no effect whatsoever. 18-22 year old athletes who have invested their entire lives to the sport, though, would prefer to profit off of it.

 

[crucdvol]

Thanks bro. I just have higher expectations then most on here, expectations that UT should and can surpass. I want 4 and 5 stars.

I think what this crowd is trying to tell you is that give this class time and you will have your stars.

 

[Big151Orange]

Using a gimmicky offense like what Nebraska was considered in their heyday would be not preparing them for an NFL career.

Without looking it up, I'm just guessing that "gimmicky" Nebraska offense sent several players to the NFL.

 

[Burger]

That which you can say with absolutely nothing invested in the program. You could literally hop on a plane, fly to Greece, and never once mention Tennessee again, and it would have no effect whatsoever. 18-22 year old athletes who have invested their entire lives to the sport, though, would prefer to profit off of it.

Fans are stakeholders in any program. Without the fans, these kids would not have a stadium to play in. Fans fund it all.