$3 Trillion Infrastructure and Jobs Plan Coming

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BigOrangeTrain said:
Can someone explain something? Why does a bill have to be 2500 pages?
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For the tax sections, many times they list the existing statute in full and then re-write it to say what they want to say. It helps show the legislative intent behind the laws.

Of course, during 2017, the Republicans could not properly write many of the tax provisions so that created uncertainty and several years of technical corrections for those impacted by those law changes (Trust me, the Dems will do just as bad of a job this time writing it)
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Sad isn’t it? Why not just make it simple for everyone to read and make informed decisions? I guess the government would rather be idiots than actually work together.
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Usually, the Congressional staff does a lot of heavy lifting on the bill writing. They will share drafts with various lobbying groups and they will propose additional language. So you have approximately 270 Democratic members of Congress that's all trying to get their pet projects in here, they all have outside lobbying groups providing input. It becomes a cluster F pretty quick
 
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volfanhill said:
Yep. Can you point to where you complained about Trump doing it?
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Trump did his fair share no doubt. I liked Trump so I didn’t complain as much. So what? Democrats love to use the oh we are the fiscally responsible party. A fiscally responsible party doesn’t exist in our ****show of a government. Both parties are just wastes of space. But that’s all we have.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Dems may Drop Debt Fight to avoid shutdown

Democrats are scrambling to get a plan B in place to keep the government open past Thursday after Republicans blocked their initial proposal.

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House Appropriations Committee Chair Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn.) said Monday night Democrats will now try to fund the government without raising the debt limlit. | (J. Scott Applewhite/AP Photo)

Democrats are hinting they’re willing to drop the debt ceiling from their government funding package this week in order to avoid a government shutdown, a sign that their slim majorities are eager to avoid a shuttered federal government on their watch.

Senate Republicans sank Democrats’ plans to fund the government and raise the debt ceiling together on Monday evening, sending Democratic leaders scrambling to avoid a government shutdown that would kick in Friday morning. They have several options, Democrats said in the aftermath, but a government shutdown is not one.

But Democrats are adamant that despite the GOP position, they will not allow a shutdown even though it certainly means yanking the debt ceiling from their spending bill. The debt ceiling deadline is several weeks away, and the more immediate deadline is on funding the government past Thursday.

The quick movement away from a shutdown fight demonstrates Democrats’ distaste for injecting more drama into their attempts to execute President Joe Biden’s agenda. But they haven’t decided whether to simply kick the can on the debt fight with Republicans to October or separate it from the spending bill altogether. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer has kept his endgame closely-held over the past few days, instead seeking to thrash the GOP as “the party of default,” as he declared on Monday.

Dems may drop debt fight to avoid shutdown
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Who is the old dude with purple hair ?
 
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This country is hosed. We need true fiscal conservative leadership but we aren't going to get it with either party. Democrats and Republicans want to keep their gravy train going, and if that means selling the future of the country down the river, so be it.

The electorate, in general, is too dumb to realize it, but this can't continue forever.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Trump did his fair share no doubt. I liked Trump so I didn’t complain as much. So what? Democrats love to use the oh we are the fiscally responsible party. A fiscally responsible party doesn’t exist in our ****show of a government. Both parties are just wastes of space. But that’s all we have.
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LOL what.
 
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NEO said:
Manchin just went live and publicly said he isn’t going past 1.5 and if they want more then campaign on it and get more libs to pass it.


Bill is dead, thank God.
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actually this may kill 2 bills. The real infrastructure that already passed the Senate is set for vote today but the progressives are against it without the 3.5 "human" infrastructure bill. Manchin's comments put that one in jeopardy which puts the real infrastructure bill in peril today.

markets are tanking as a result
 
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NEO said:
Manchin just went live and publicly said he isn’t going past 1.5 and if they want more then campaign on it and get more libs to pass it.


Bill is dead, thank God.
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Just now gotta hope the Libs are so upset that they vote no on the $1.5T
edit: got ViBed
 
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Democrats are ready to sting up Manchin and Sinema, but they probably just saved the party from a complete bloodbath in the midterms.
 
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GAVol said:
Democrats are ready to sting up Manchin and Sinema, but they probably just saved the party from a complete bloodbath in the midterms.
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gonna be interesting to watch what happens today. My guess is that Manchin will budge up for the human infrastructure bill but his comments today may have solidified the progressive opposition to the real infrastructure bill that is supposed to hit the House floor today.
 
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