6-6 or 7-5?

#102
#102
hopefully fla's offense will be down again---they lost their only good RB and they have an unsettled QB and no good WRs----if UT can pull the upset, I'll be partying all night long in gainesville
 
#104
#104
volswillrise12 said:
Oregon is no toss up--just because Chip Kelly is gone doesn't mean a thing. You realize they have a potential Heisman winner at QB right? They have speed to burn.
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"Potential Heisman Winner" is a total subjective measurement. Not only is it subjective, its more than likely meaningless.


Am I saying that Tennessee beats Oregon. Nope. Tennessee and Oregon are much closer in talent averages than people think. Oregon, under Kelly and playing in the PAC, appears much better than their recruited talent really is. There will be a drop off.

Think Arkansas with Petrino.

Think Walsh with the 49ers.

Auburn conversely, has averaged top ten recruiting classes and has vastly underperormed under Chizik. Much more upside.
 
#106
#106
KBVol said:
So UTs more talented that Oregon huh? Try telling that to every other human, other than OskieVolum in the country. You're in the slight minority there chief.

See you're still repping Dooley there. "Talent with experience at every position except receiver.....?" Are you serious?

We have an excellent offensive line, average to below average RBs, an inexperienced/unproven QB, no playmaking WRs as of yet, no tightend, virtually the same personnel on our historically bad defense from a year ago and a very inconsistent, unreliable place kicker. Yeah, no certain losses vs one of the toughest schedules in the country.

I got full faith in Butch and I believe he'll coach this team waaaaaayyyyyy better than Dooley could ever imagine. But we are low in talent, way low on depth and have a long way to go in building this into winning team from where Dooley left us...a broken program with no idea how to win. No reason to predict an 8-9 win season in an effort to set this team up to fail. Butch is getting this thing turned ...but I think we dont challenge for championships for 3 years.....
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Recruiting rankings

2010--- UT #9 Oregon #13
2011--- UT #13 Oregon #9
2012--- UT # 17 Oregon #16
2013---UT#21 Oregon #22

I dont see this huge talent deficit we have vs Oregon.. Looks pretty even to me. We have No DOOLEY they have no KELLY.

Pretty sure we came out better in that one. And I will take Jones over the guy who just inherited the job over there.

JMO, but we beat Oregon.

UF as always will be the game that tells us where we are at this year. A good showing there and we could surprise a lot of people this year. If the team folds, we will be lucky to make it to a bowl game.
 
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#107
ImportedVoL said:
Recruiting rankings

2010--- UT #9 Oregon #13
2011--- UT #13 Oregon #9
2012--- UT # 17 Oregon #16
2013---UT#21 Oregon #22

I dont see this huge talent deficit we have vs Oregon.. Looks pretty even to me. We have No DOOLEY they have no KELLY.

Pretty sure we came out better in that one. And I will take Jones over the guy who just inherited the job over there.

JMO, but we beat Oregon.

UF as always will be the game that tells us where we are at this year. A good showing there and we could surprise a lot of people this year. If the team folds, we will be lucky to make it to a bowl game.
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This should help!
 
#108
#108
ImportedVoL said:
Recruiting rankings

2010--- UT #9 Oregon #13
2011--- UT #13 Oregon #9
2012--- UT # 17 Oregon #16
2013---UT#21 Oregon #22

I dont see this huge talent deficit we have vs Oregon.. Looks pretty even to me. We have No DOOLEY they have no KELLY.

Pretty sure we came out better in that one. And I will take Jones over the guy who just inherited the job over there.

JMO, but we beat Oregon.

UF as always will be the game that tells us where we are at this year. A good showing there and we could surprise a lot of people this year. If the team folds, we will be lucky to make it to a bowl game.
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Love your optimism and I share a lot of it, especially where Butch is concerned to this point. And I'll be pulling like crazy for my Vols when we play em. But we're gonna be a huge underdog at Oregon. And my original point, despite recruiting rankings, is that there is a very large perceived talent differential with Oregon holding a decided advantage. Plus, every UT "insider" I hear and read (Hubbs, Rucker, Low, Coach Matthews, Ainge, etc) all talk very definitively about our overall lack of talent and depth.

A lot of the ground can be made up with better coaching which we are surely about to get. Just think its gonna take getting in the 2013 and 2014 classes in before we restock the roster with the talent we need to make a consistent run.
 
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#109
ImportedVoL said:
Recruiting rankings

2010--- UT #9 Oregon #13
2011--- UT #13 Oregon #9
2012--- UT # 17 Oregon #16
2013---UT#21 Oregon #22

I dont see this huge talent deficit we have vs Oregon.. Looks pretty even to me. We have No DOOLEY they have no KELLY.

Pretty sure we came out better in that one. And I will take Jones over the guy who just inherited the job over there.

JMO, but we beat Oregon.

UF as always will be the game that tells us where we are at this year. A good showing there and we could surprise a lot of people this year. If the team folds, we will be lucky to make it to a bowl game.
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Oregon will wax us 10 times over before Florida does, idk how Florida is the test to see how we will do for the rest of the season. Maybe if you consider 1) it's the first big game we have a chance of winning 2) we will see how this team holds up and responds after a severe thrashing.

I hate to sound so negative, but Oregon is a better team than UT and there's no arguing that. We're playing in their house too. I expect the score to be similar to the Vandy game last year.
 
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ImportedVoL said:
Recruiting rankings

2010--- UT #9 Oregon #13
2011--- UT #13 Oregon #9
2012--- UT # 17 Oregon #16
2013---UT#21 Oregon #22

I dont see this huge talent deficit we have vs Oregon.. Looks pretty even to me. We have No DOOLEY they have no KELLY.

Pretty sure we came out better in that one. And I will take Jones over the guy who just inherited the job over there.

JMO, but we beat Oregon.

UF as always will be the game that tells us where we are at this year. A good showing there and we could surprise a lot of people this year. If the team folds, we will be lucky to make it to a bowl game.
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you have to re-rate players and then classes at this juncture, not use how they ranked coming out of high school.

UT 2010 class

Clark was a 2 star and he is still a 2 star
Crump was a 2 star and he is still a 2 star
Darr was a 3 star and he has been a 2 star
Fugate was a 3 star and he has been a 2 star
Fulton was a 3 star and he has been a 4 star
James was a 4 star and he has been a 4 star
Miller was a 4 star and he has been a 3 star
Neal was a 4 star and he has been a 3 star
Pair was a 3 star and he has been a 2 star
Palardy was a 3 star and he has been a 3 star
Propst was a 3 star and he has been a 2 star
Sapp was a 2 star and he has been a 3 star (he starts this year I would elevate to a 4 star)
Smith was a 4 star and he has been a 3 star
Stone as a 4 star and he has been a 4 star

Lost from that class are, 1 five star, 7 four stars and 6 two and three stars.

Pretty sure, this class would no longer be ranked as a # 9 class. Re-rankings are my opinion..

Kids which have not become full time starters, I would drop their high school ranking. Full time starters I made 4 stars. All Americans would be a 5 star. IMO
 
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#113
LWSVOL said:
you have to re-rate players and then classes at this juncture, not use how they ranked coming out of high school.

UT 2010 class

Clark was a 2 star and he is still a 2 star
Crump was a 2 star and he is still a 2 star
Darr was a 3 star and he has been a 2 star
Fugate was a 3 star and he has been a 2 star
Fulton was a 3 star and he has been a 4 star
James was a 4 star and he has been a 4 star
Miller was a 4 star and he has been a 3 star
Neal was a 4 star and he has been a 3 star
Pair was a 3 star and he has been a 2 star
Palardy was a 3 star and he has been a 3 star
Propst was a 3 star and he has been a 2 star
Sapp was a 2 star and he has been a 3 star (he starts this year I would elevate to a 4 star)
Smith was a 4 star and he has been a 3 star
Stone as a 4 star and he has been a 4 star

Lost from that class are, 1 five star, 7 four stars and 6 two and three stars.

Pretty sure, this class would no longer be ranked as a # 9 class. Re-rankings are my opinion..

Kids which have not become full time starters, I would drop their high school ranking. Full time starters I made 4 stars. All Americans would be a 5 star. IMO
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The only problem I have is you rate James too low. He's going to be a first rounder.
 
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#114
LWSVOL said:
you have to re-rate players and then classes at this juncture, not use how they ranked coming out of high school.

UT 2010 class

Clark was a 2 star and he is still a 2 star
Crump was a 2 star and he is still a 2 star
Darr was a 3 star and he has been a 2 star
Fugate was a 3 star and he has been a 2 star
Fulton was a 3 star and he has been a 4 star
James was a 4 star and he has been a 4 star
Miller was a 4 star and he has been a 3 star
Neal was a 4 star and he has been a 3 star
Pair was a 3 star and he has been a 2 star
Palardy was a 3 star and he has been a 3 star
Propst was a 3 star and he has been a 2 star
Sapp was a 2 star and he has been a 3 star (he starts this year I would elevate to a 4 star)
Smith was a 4 star and he has been a 3 star
Stone as a 4 star and he has been a 4 star

Lost from that class are, 1 five star, 7 four stars and 6 two and three stars.

Pretty sure, this class would no longer be ranked as a # 9 class. Re-rankings are my opinion..

Kids which have not become full time starters, I would drop their high school ranking. Full time starters I made 4 stars. All Americans would be a 5 star. IMO
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Don't forget that Bray and Hunter are no longer here skewing the 2010 numbers even more.

This is not an even match talent wise. Plus, those numbers the Imported Vol provided only represent what they were coming out of high school. Players change a lot when they get on campus (S&C, diet, coaching, desire, etc.). Looking at class rankings alone and making those comparisons would be making the assumption that all of those players progressed identically.....Which is impossible.
 
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#115
WooleyDooley2010 said:
It all depends on Auburn. That's the swing game this year. Losses over Florida, Oregon, USC, UGA, and of course Bama. Rest are wins with the Tigers being the difference between 6-6 and 7-5. Thoughts?
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We use to win most of those games not too long ago (75%) anyway.
 
#116
#116
"Will" win 3 non conference games
""Should" beat Kentucky ,Vandy(no Vandy is more talented BS please..home game)
50/50 to beat either Missouri or Auburn

That's 6...anything else is gravy...

I'd say 7-5... With a reasonable bowl would be possible if they start clicking in October ...
 
#117
#117
sjt18 said:
Most of you are assuming you have to be the most talented team to win. You don't. You have to be the best team to win. The two aren't always one in the same. When UT finds the "right guy", he will beat more talented teams and NOT lose to less talented teams or many equally talented teams. He will get the most out of what he has. Jones either is or is not that guy... but we will almost certainly know that this fall barring a ton of injuries.
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Excellent post.
 
#119
#119
i was going with 6 wins,I'm going to pull that back to 5 wins,so when football time comes,i can go back up to 6 :)
 
#120
#120
This year might be ugly. I won't even put a number on it. I think we have a few gimme games, a few toss-ups that will be dogfights until the end, and some games where we're gonna get slapped silly.
 
#121
#121
I love to be optomistic most of the time too but our lack of talent, experience, depth and 1 of the toughest schedules in the country forces me to be more realistic for the next 3 years.

If I see us playing tougher, more disciplined and until the end of every game no matter what and our recruiting keeps going well then that will show me improvement and a 6-6 season with a Bowl Game appearance is a solid step in the right direction.

It's not what I want by far but 6 Wins is all I expect this year and more than 6 Wins will be proof we're on the right track for certain.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
#122
#122
I think there are a lot of folks that are overestimating Auburn this fall. With the program potentially facing sanctions and under investigation, there will be a dark cloud hanging over them during the season unless the penalties are announced early. And even if the penalties are announced, it can be far worse. Auburn is more than winnable in my opinion based on that fact alone. A team looking at significant penalties as well as the loss of a National Championship is not going to have good morale and will probably translate into poor field performance.

I'd say 8-4, 7-5 depending on situation. 6-6 as a minimum. Losses will be Oregon, Bama, Florida and either USCe or Georgia. Or both UGA and USCe in a 7-5 situation. Add one more SEC loss in a 6-6. No matter what, I'd say we are bowl eligible no matter what this year.

Even with a young team, we got rid of Bray which frankly (and I know this is not going to be popular) was one of the anchors holding this team back. We needed a leader on the field and he just wasn't up to par. So when CBJ motivates our starting quarterback (which so far he seems pretty motivational) into a leader on the field the chances of a winning season go up dramatically. If we have another season of 11 guys just meandering about on the field without any leadership like we have had for the past two...we're in for a repeat of 2011-2012.

One thing to remember...In 1998 we started out as pre-season #10 but weren't supposed to do what we did. Were predicted to lose the BCS Championship to FSU. Were certainly not predicted to go undefeated and become the #3 best college football team of all time. There's something to be said about underestimating a team that is "expected to fall off due to the loss of key members" and everyone expects to be "rebuilding."
 
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#124
There are many variables to the outcome of our season. But I think one of the biggest will be if we have a player who steps up as a leader. All of our good teams had great leaders. I really think we would have won many more games last year had Bray been mature and led this team like a true champion. Hopefully we will get that this year. CBJ seems to be preaching that. Who will it be for us?
 
#125
#125
I just don't see auburn being the 9-10 win team that some are projecting. They may be better than 3-9, 0-8 in the SEC, but that's not saying much. Butch is far and away a better coach than Gus any day. It may not be pretty, but we will beat auburn this season.
 
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