7th in AP Poll

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#126
We can look at it all different ways. Going into yesterday we had beaten 2 top 10 playoff teams and Bama had beaten none....We beat Bama head to head...We beat LSU bad on their own field and Bama lost to...We played the No.1 team in the land at their place and Bama didn't play them anywhere.

This time of the year it becomes a beauty contest and ESPN and others will use...And I've already heard it by the media

Bama name greater than UT name.
Saban name greater than Heupel name.
QB Young greater than QB Milton.

IMO the best thing we can do is go win games like the USC cluster and leave no doubt and lose in a beauty contest.
 
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I enjoy looking at the how they voted page. It's amazing some of these guys keep their voting rights...
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Neither did Tennessee. South Carolina is 8-4, and they have a much better victory on their resume than anyone Alabama has beaten.

The bottom line : Alabama has beaten absolutely nobody ... and lost head-to-head to Tennessee.
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Apparently who you lose to and how you lose holds a little water.
 
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Stephen Gray said:
Not me so much, but clearly lots of people in this thread do care.
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Not really. They're actually using this thread to argue where we should be ranked in the CFP poll for playoff positioning. The AP Poll is usually a pretty good indication of what the CFP poll will look like. The Coaches Poll has always been as valuable as a soiled piece of toilet paper.
 
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Stephen Gray said:
I agree with what they didn’t do, but I think his theory may or may not matter depending on if the voters actually have some guidance somewhere for determining tie breaks and such. There are clears rules for determining conference winners but do AP voters and coaches polls have something written down somewhere to guide them at all? I always assumed it was completely subjective but if there is guidance somewhere that backs up someone’s argument I could get on board with them.
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I assume they argue over everything. Bama has two last playing the game losses. Tennessee has two losses where they weren’t remotely competitive. Obviously it matters. Again if we’re talking about two one loss teams the head to head is the no brainer. With multiple losses it brings everything into play.
 
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Vol423 said:
What the hell is wrong with so many of you? Team don't fall a designated number of spots when they lose a game. They fall a certain number of spots in relation to the other teams that have similar records. Ohio State is now the lowest ranked 1-loss team. You guys are seriously dense.
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what???? GTFOH with that because if this were true how the hell did LSU climb to #5?? They already had 2 losses and the majority of the top 10 only had 1 loss or was undefeated. By your logic they would have never climbed back into the top 10 no matter who they beat, if u fall in relation to teams with similar records. Hell TCU was undefeated and a 1 loss Bama was still ahead of them until they lost to LSU. So no it doesn't work like you're saying. SOS, SOV, and the way u lose also matters. That's why we fell from 5 to 10. Had we lost a close game to SC we don't fall to 10. OSU got blown out at home so, they should fall the same way we fell when we lost to UGA.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Who you have beaten should carry some weight as well ... and head-to-head matchups should stand as tie-breakers.

Once again, who has Alabama beaten this season that currently has a better than 8-4 record? I'll wait.
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Your question doesn’t matter. It’s irrelevant.
 
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C-south said:
I assume they argue over everything. Bama has two last playing the game losses. Tennessee has two losses where they weren’t remotely competitive. Obviously it matters. Again if we’re talking about two one loss teams the head to head is the no brainer. With multiple losses it brings everything into play.
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Quality victories should matter as well. Name a team who currently has a better than 8-4 record, that Alabama defeated this season.
 
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jaguinn5 said:
Take off your orange glasses and take into account that we lost two games that weren't close, and one of those losses was historically embarrassing.

Bama lost two very close, last second games to top 10 teams on the road.

They have a slightly better resume based on those losses.
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Show me the better wins Bama has.
 
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The worst part of this poll is OSU getting absolutely dog-walked at home and only dropping 3 spots. I could see it on the road but at home.
I think it should be the same top 4 then 5-Bama 6-UT 7-OSU.
I’d love to put us at 5 but after getting drilled by USCe and losing Hooker, I don’t see it happening. It’s the best teams NOW, that Hooker injury changes things
 
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C-south said:
If it were only my opinion you wouldn’t be here crying.
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Again, all ad hominem, no substance.

How is the game improved by your view -- the Pruitt view -- that a team should enter a game seeking to lose by the least possible?

How much is the game improved by my view -- the Kiffin view -- that a team should be rewarded for seeking to win against opponents that should beat them?

I'm sick of seeing teams more interested in protecting a close deficit than in taking the lead, but if you prefer watching teams try for moral victories I guess that's a valid view.
 
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#144
If the only criteria for making the CFP from now on, is you can't have any blowout losses, while your number of quality victories is meaningless ... then that will only encourage teams to play as weak a schedule as possible. Quality wins should matter, and Alabama doesn't have any.
 
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C-south said:
What terrible loss do they have? The common opponent factor doesn’t mean a thing when you lose to one of the worst teams in the conference by 20+.
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SC finished tied for 5th-best conference record and is ranked 20th in the country. But keep on believing this BS.
 
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Stephen Gray said:
I wish we were ahead and can see a strong argument since we beat them but they lost their games by a combined 4 points and we lost ours by like 39 iirc. I can see that as a strong argument too.
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I'm not saying that doesn't matter, but our margins in victories, combined with a harder schedule are worth more IMO. The only reason Alabama is higher is because of their recent history and the bias of having initially ranked them higher.
 
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Sea Ray said:
You might be right but that'd be a raw deal for USC. OSU gets to benefit by another team losing in a game that OSU didn't even have to play.
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Just a few weeks ago several OSU fans were adamant that any team that doesn’t even make it to their conference championship game shouldn’t be in the playoffs…of course they were talking about Tennessee back then but I now fully agree with them. The top 4 this week should be the final top 4 Regardless of upsets in championship games.
 
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Stephen Gray said:
I wish we were ahead and can see a strong argument since we beat them but they lost their games by a combined 4 points and we lost ours by like 39 iirc. I can see that as a strong argument too.
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Nope. Using the latter argument is a cop out for giving the nod to a team with a more recent history of winning and the media loves.
 
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jaguinn5 said:
Take off your orange glasses and take into account that we lost two games that weren't close, and one of those losses was historically embarrassing.

Bama lost two very close, last second games to top 10 teams on the road.

They have a slightly better resume based on those losses.
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Why are you only focusing on the losses? As if who you have actually beaten is irrelevant? That is crazy.

Name a quality victory for Alabama this season. Seriously, who do you think the best team that Alabama has beaten is?
 
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