8 UN employees killed as revenge for burning of Koran

[n_huffhines]

I would love for the US to tell Israel that it can unleash the dogs. It's the US policy of restraining Israel that has emboldened Hamas, Hezbollah and their accomplices.

Yeah. I agree. Let them fight their own battles and face the consequences. We'll sit back here safer, sounder, and wealthier in the western hemisphere.

 

[rjd970]

12 killed in Afghanistan after protests over reported Quran burning - CNN.com


Some more detail on it. The church held a "trial" of the Koran and found it guilty of promoting murder and violence. So they burned a copy.

In reaction to the killings, Jones says it proves that it is time to hold Islam accountable.
Sigh.

Jones may be stupid, but I see nothing wrong with the bold above. The only missing part is the hypocrisy of what is stated in the book they all subscribe to.

 

[rjd970]

<--- Still waiting for someone to show where in Islamic text what the killers did isn't explicitely condoned.

 

[vader]

<--- Still waiting for someone to show where in Islamic text what the killers did isn't explicitely condoned.

It isn't explicitly condoned in this random verse

[24.20] And were it not for Allah's grace on you and His mercy, and that Allah is Compassionate, Merciful.

 

[volinbham]

It isn't explicitly condoned in this random verse

yeah i thought the phrasing was weird. I would bet most of the Q or K would satisfy the request the way it was written

 

[vader]

I'm sure by googling and reading the Koran online I have made some sort of watch list.

 

[volinbham]

I'm sure by googling and reading the Koran online I have made some sort of watch list.

yep - and since you are a Mod you put the whole VN on the list. Thanks a lot Vader.

 

[vader]

yep - and since you are a Mod you put the whole VN on the list. Thanks a lot Vader.

If VN gets shut down, Freak should sue LG since his actions started this whole ordeal.

 

[rjd970]

It isn't explicitly condoned in this random verse

I stand corrected.

But with all religous text, it depends on context. This verse could be contrued to prohibit suicide killing:

So destroy not yourself in sorrow for them. [35:8]

...but it does little to offset the other 500ish verses that explicitely say to go forth and kill yourself in defense of Islam.

Same with the Bible, it is all about context...it may be the old testament that is violent and barbaric and thus the "old law", but it is still written and people will follow it.

Don't get me wrong, Islam is much worse than Christianity in cases like this and it isn't even close...there is a NT that tempers violent idiocy. But it doesn't change the underlying tones of the OT passages themselves.

Again, Jones may be an idiot for doing what he did, but on the subject holding Islam accountable for violence he is surprisingly being very rational.

 

[7thgroupvolfan]

Yeah. I agree. Let them fight their own battles and face the consequences. We'll sit back here safer, sounder, and wealthier in the western hemisphere.

When WW3 breaks out we'll be a hell of alot more involved than we are now. We are the only thing holding Israel back from laying waste to Iran. Then the domino effect happens. in other words, by supporting Israel we help keep the peace.
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[n_huffhines]

When WW3 breaks out we'll be a hell of alot more involved than we are now. We are the only thing holding Israel back from laying waste to Iran. Then the domino effect happens. in other words, by supporting Israel we help keep the peace.
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You are assuming a lot. Like that we would need to get involved if there were a WWIII. And what domino effect would that be? It seems like "keeping the peace" requires an awful lot of violence. Doesn't really make much sense.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

For any radical Muslim within earshot, I hereby state that I, and many of my fellow Americans, condemn without qualification, the actions of Mr. Jones and his "church." Please don't think that he is representative of all Americans, or of all Christians. In fact, please understand that he did what he did in order to trigger the reaction in Afghanistan, and to thereby convert people to his warped way of thinking.

Please convince your fellow Muslims not to let this man, or others like him, influence your view of America or Christianity. In our society, he has the right to do some of these things. But that does not in any way mean that we approve of it.

Awesome. How hard is it to hide the yellow streak down your back?

 

[7thgroupvolfan]

You are assuming a lot. Like that we would need to get involved if there were a WWIII. And what domino effect would that be? It seems like "keeping the peace" requires an awful lot of violence. Doesn't really make much sense.

You do understand that we're the worlds police, right? How many fights have you seen where if one guy is getting beat up another guy jumps in to help, then another. Which is the domino effect I was speaking of.

America would not stand back and wait till the fight comes to us. We're the big dogs on the block. We take the fight to them. Whoever that may be.
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[OJ]

<--- Still waiting for someone to show where in Islamic text what the killers did isn't explicitely condoned.

What would you do for 72 virgins?

 

[gsvol]

The Secret to the Suicidal Liberal Mind

Paul Craig Roberts, economist and columnist, writes eloquently about the anti-white racism endemic in American universities that demonizes white males as the font of all evil. Shelby Steele of the Hoover Institute explained in the Wall Street Journal recently how white guilt empowers racist frauds such as Cornel West.

The self-loathing of the white American liberal is as well-established and documented as Einstein's Special Relativity theorems. A typical example is writer Susan Sontag's denouncement of the white race as "the cancer of human history."

A racist hatred of one's own race – auto-racism – has become a defining characteristic of the liberal mind. Yet the source of such suicidal guilt remains a mystery.

Clearly understanding what disables liberals from wanting to defend their culture is today a mortal necessity – an absolute requirement if America is to be preserved and protected from Moslem terrorists and other folk desirous of her demise.
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It is an ultimate irony of modern times that left-wing Marxist-type intellectuals consider themselves to be in the progressive vanguard of sophisticated contemporary thought -- when in reality their thinking is nothing but an atavism, a regression to a primitive tribal mentality. What the Left calls "exploitation" is what anthropologists call "black magic."
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Pandering to the envious, and intimidating those who are afraid of them, has been the path to power of all modern demagogues, from Lenin and Hitler to Yassir Arafat and Osama bin Laden.

The three great political pathologies of the 20th century are all religions of envy: Nazism, preaching race envy toward "rich, exploitative Jews"; Communism, preaching class envy toward the "rich, exploitative bourgeoisie"; and Moslem terrorism, preaching culture envy toward the "rich, exploitative West."

Envy-mongering has always been and continues to be the underlying strategy of all variants of the political Left, such as the Democratic Party.-------------------------

So here we discover the secret fear at the source of the suicidal liberal mind. It is envy that makes a Nazi, a Communist or a terrorist. It is the fear of being envied that makes a liberal and is the source of "liberal guilt."
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Liberalism is thus not a political ideology or set of beliefs. It is an envy-deflection device, a psychological strategy to avoid being envied.
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It is possible to perceive the passions of the Left as frenzies of masochism. What could be more idiotic and masochistic than to oppose missile defense? This opposition cannot be understood unless one dispenses with its rhetoric and rationales and realizes that these folks at their emotional core do not want their country defended.

The lunacy of the "global warming" hoax cannot be comprehended other than that its masochistic advocates do not want their civilization to prosper. The culture-destroying immigration policies that Pat Buchanan warns are causing "The Death of the West" were put in place by those who do not want their culture to survive.

The lethality of liberal envy appeasement is that personally felt guilt is projected onto the various social or tribal collectives to which the liberal belongs and are a part of his self-identity. Self-loathing is transformed into a loathing of one's society or race.

White male liberals become auto-racist and auto-sexist: racist toward their own race, sexist toward their own sex. Dime-store demagogues like eco-fascist environmentalists, feminazis, animal and homosexual rights types, race hustlers like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton all get their strength from the liberals' fear of their Evil Eyes.
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Indeed, the entire phenomenon of political correctness -- perhaps best exemplified by the New York Times editorial page -- is nothing but a massive exercise in envy appeasement.
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Rejecting envy is the key to preventing "The Death of the West," the key for America to continue to prosper. I suggest that this rejection begin with you.

Dr. Jack Wheeler and the Freedom Research Foundation.

 

[CSVol]

Just curious if all the 1st Amendment Defenders cross referenced their replies in this thread to any in threads about the 'Ground Zero Mosque'?

Disclaimer: I think Jones is an a$$hat that knew exactly what he was doing. I also believe he did nothing illegal. I'd hate to see anyone burn the flag but I couldn't legally stop them.

 

[therealUT]

You do understand that we're the worlds police, right?

We are not the world's police; we only think we are.

How many fights have you seen where if one guy is getting beat up another guy jumps in to help, then another. Which is the domino effect I was speaking of.

America would not stand back and wait till the fight comes to us. We're the big dogs on the block. We take the fight to them. Whoever that may be.
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Glorious wars of noble intent. We should protect our borders and that is it.

We have sacrificed almost 2,400 servicemen and women to avenge the deaths of 2,900.

 

[7thgroupvolfan]

Just curious if all the 1st Amendment Defenders cross referenced their replies in this thread to any in threads about the 'Ground Zero Mosque'?Disclaimer: I think Jones is an a$$hat that knew exactly what he was doing. I also believe he did nothing illegal. I'd hate to see anyone burn the flag but I couldn't legally stop them.

Just because you can let someone kick you in the nads, doesent mean you should.

 

[7thgroupvolfan]

We are not the world's police; we only think we are.



Glorious wars of noble intent. We should protect our borders and that is it.

We have sacrificed almost 2,400 servicemen and women to avenge the deaths of 2,900.

2,900 not enough? How many died at Pearl Habor?

 

[hndog609]

The thing that freaks me out a little is how an attorney (he is a defense att?) find it so easy to assign mens rea to others actions. Not just a little bit either...we're talking imprisonment here. We're talking accessory to murder.

If you happen to have a client in court and the prosecution comes at you with "We know damned well what your client was thinking when he did "X" and is therefore absolutely guilty of any resulting problems arising from X, even if claimed by someone on the other side of the world." make sure to nod your agreement, wish your client well in prison and walk out.

 

[kptvol]

For any radical Muslim within earshot, I hereby state that I, and many of my fellow Americans, condemn without qualification, the actions of Mr. Jones and his "church." Please don't think that he is representative of all Americans, or of all Christians. In fact, please understand that he did what he did in order to trigger the reaction in Afghanistan, and to thereby convert people to his warped way of thinking.

Please convince your fellow Muslims not to let this man, or others like him, influence your view of America or Christianity. In our society, he has the right to do some of these things. But that does not in any way mean that we approve of it.

I can't believe you'd say that with an avatar like that. What an unforgivable insult to Islamic culture. You should be ashamed for provoking radical Muslims like that. I hold you personally accountable for all deaths that take place in the name of Islam from this day forward.

 

[NEO]

Of course it is.

But that doesn't mean its okay to do something that is intentionally designed to antagonize them, serves no legitimate purpose whatsoever, and is done expressly to lead to this reaction.

Part of what delegitimizes terrorism is the notion that sometimes people make political statements in hopes of causing a reaction that they can use to justify something far worse. That is EXACTLY what Jones is up to here. He got his wish.

Now let's watch the anti-Muslim crowd try to portray all Muslims as supporting this so as to justify broadening the war to encompass all of Islam.

If I burn a flag of the Gators you gonna behead me? This answer is no. Why is that LG?

 

[therealUT]

2,900 not enough? How many died at Pearl Habor?

Wars should be fought purely for the defense of the country and its citizens. OEF has never been about defense, as everyone in the defense world knows that it is better intel that will prevent future terrorist attacks on American soil. So, we invaded Afghanistan: AQ and the Taliban moved to Pakistan.

Terrorism is something that the US is going to have to learn to live with. I'll take two bad days in 70 years (9/11 and 12/6) over the casualties incurred in the Pacific Theatre, the European Theatre, the Korean Peninsula, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.

 

[tvolsfan]

so you agree the creators of south park should be prosecuted as well? i'd say they were unquestionably trying to piss off the terrorists.

I wouldn't say that. They're not afraid to hurt anybody's feelings, but I don't think they made that episode to anger people. I think they were trying to show that censoring everything as not to piss anyone off is ridiculous.

 

[NEO]

Wars should be fought purely for the defense of the country and its citizens. OEF has never been about defense, as everyone in the defense world knows that it is better intel that will prevent future terrorist attacks on American soil. So, we invaded Afghanistan: AQ and the Taliban moved to Pakistan.

Terrorism is something that the US is going to have to learn to live with. I'll take two bad days in 70 years (9/11 and 12/6) over the casualties incurred in the Pacific Theatre, the European Theatre, the Korean Peninsula, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.

I agree with you 1000%.