8 UN employees killed as revenge for burning of Koran

#76
#76
I think what LG is saying is that the untamed animals clearly can't control themselves. i.e. it's a racist thread.
 
#78
#78
so now if a Muslim is killed in the US can we blame the people over there for burning the US flag?
 
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droski said:
the cartoonist who created the picture did know that muslims found it offensive before he did it.
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I still think it's different.

(1) Even if you know it's offensive to others, if it's not offensive to you, you have a hard time understanding the extent of what you are doing. Even though I know radical Muslims are irrational, them getting angry for a picture is still beyond stupid because they are applying their standards to everyone. That'd be like Mormons getting offended if you drink coffee.

(2) Also the cartoonist isn't a pastor (and as somebody who grew up Christian I think it's inexcusable for a pastor to spread hate).
 
#81
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nbakerld said:
I still think it's different.

(1) Even if you know it's offensive to others, if it's not offensive to you, you have a hard time understanding the extent of what you are doing. Even though I know radical Muslims are irrational, them getting angry for a picture is still beyond stupid because they are applying their standards to everyone. That'd be like Mormons getting offended if you drink coffee.

(2) Also the cartoonist isn't a pastor (and as somebody who grew up Christian I think it's inexcusable for a pastor to spread hate).
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so since it doesn't offend you then therefore it's not a big deal?
 
#82
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droski said:
so you agree the creators of south park should be prosecuted as well? i'd say they were unquestionably trying to piss off the terrorists.
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therealUT said:
Do you want people who burn flags to be prosecuted as well? How about people that **** on statues of Mary? Piss on Crucifixes?

His actions are shameful and disgusting; however, they are not and should not be criminal. By burning the Korans, he did not coerce those men to kill others.
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You both have a point here, at least in theory. I'm going to have to mull that one over.

I would say that I think that the press that Jones got and what he was going to do in terms of burning Korans is probably well past South Park, but that's a question of degree so I won't rely on just that.


droski said:
actually they jumped over him for suggesting jones caused these deaths.
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I do think he contributed to their deaths, and substantially.

utvolpj said:
the only person he mentioned was Jones and said he caused this. There was absolutely no condemnation of anyone but Jones in the OP
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In reply to the first response I said of course the protestors bear the blame. They didn't have to react the way they did. But Jones did this to bait them into that reaction. As wrong as the reaction was, it was predictable. Actually, in this case, it was desired.


droski said:
but if you are saying jones is at fault than clearly you think that muslims can't control their emotions correct?
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No, that's where you are wrong. I am saying that some Islamic radicals could be expected to react in this manner. Jones' message in burning the Koran was directed at them, precisely to get that kind of reaction. And that in part was to try to get people to paint with broad brushes as against each side. Jones is fanning the flames that are already there and he knows and indeed wants that result.

It's morally wrong and it is certainly NOT Christian. Even if I end up backing off of my comment he should be prosecuted, I maintain that he has done something really malevolent here, out of pure prejudice and hate.
 
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droski said:
so since it doesn't offend you then therefore it's not a big deal?
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All I'm saying is it's different. In one case radical Islam is applying their strict standards to everyone. In the other case it's an application of a universal standard.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I would say that I think that the press that Jones got and what he was going to do in terms of burning Korans is probably well past South Park, but that's a question of degree so I won't rely on just that.
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press? I had to google to find out he actually did burn them (2 weeks ago)

lawgator1 said:
In reply to the first response I said of course the protestors bear the blame. They didn't have to react the way they did. But Jones did this to bait them into that reaction. As wrong as the reaction was, it was predictable. Actually, in this case, it was desired.
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link to Jones saying "I hope someone dies"

lawgator1 said:
It's morally wrong and it is certainly NOT Christian. Even if I end up backing off of my comment he should be prosecuted, I maintain that he has done something really malevolent here, out of pure prejudice and hate.
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it's morally wrong in your view and is not illegal at all. Thankfully he's protected from people like you who would prosecute people they don't agree with
 
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utvolpj said:
press? I had to google to find out he actually did burn them (2 weeks ago)

Obviously, I am referring t the press he got last year on it. I guess with this one (and I had not heard about it, either) the media decided simply not to give him the floor again.

It got out somehow. Too bad.


link to Jones saying "I hope someone dies"


You know it won't appear like that. But you're in denial if you don;t think Jones hoped for some kind of violence by them in response. That is the whole point of doing this.


it's morally wrong in your view and is not illegal at all. Thankfully he's protected from people like you who would prosecute people they don't agree with

I've already admitted I might have to back off the prosecution issue. I need to think that through.

I stand by the rest of it, including that what Jones did is morally wrong.
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#86
#86
again, a single Koran was burned 11 days ago

it's a convenient excuse/rationalization, but it's not a cause
 
#88
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lawgator1 said:
I stand by the rest of it, including that what Jones did is morally wrong.
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the only thing morally wrong is that some morons decided it was worth killing people over. You're attacking the wrong people
 
#89
#89
the perpetrators could just have easily used the fact that UN peacekeepers have been accused of raping women in Darfur.
 
#91
#91
If you think those workers wouldn't have been killed if the Koran hadn't been burned, you obviously have no idea what's been going on in Afghanistan/Iraq over the last decade.
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#92
#92
Westboro Baptisit Church better be on the look out for Lawgator.

The guy maybe stupid, but he just burned a book. You can in no way say that's the same as killing 8 people, but you want to lay the guilt of the crime at his feet.
 
#95
#95
again, Jones did his thing on March 20th, why did the reaction take this long?

don't tell me it's a lack of access to the news, which you know is flat out wrong.

the attack on this UN compound was planned, thus premeditated.
 
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#97
My issue is we cannot control what radical Islam does, in the least bit. They are legitimately irrational and nuts. Why provoke them? Why try to establish democracy among them? Why send troops there? Leave them the hell alone and let them tear themselves into bits. Leave Israel alone. Leave the world alone. Protect our borders. Mind our own business. Trade with everyone. We'll be a lot better off.
 
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nbakerld said:
My issue is we cannot control what radical Islam does, in the least bit. They are legitimately irrational and nuts. Why provoke them? .
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same reason we don't negotiate with terrorists. when they start getting to control our actions that is when they win.
 
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