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volfanhill said:
One year ago we finished ranked 6th in the country. You are a child
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Dude, you're talking about 6th in the country. I mean, you're talking about last year...freaking last year. This year, 25th..generously...and our recruiting, abysmal for next year. Heupel...tictoc
 
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DonDiego said:
Dude, you're talking about 6th in the country. I mean, you're talking about last year...freaking last year. This year, 25th..generously...and our recruiting, abysmal for next year. Heupel...tictoc
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No, it's not.

You are focusing on the wrong thing. Look at the player rating averages, instead of just the numerical ranking. Some teams, such as Oklahoma with their 28 commitments, have a bloated ranking, solely because of how many more commitments they have. That's placing quantity over quality. I would rather have quality.

Yes, you are displaying some degree of ignorance here, along with some stubbornness.
 
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We got a 8-4 or 9-3 type recruiting class, forget any dreams of winning the SEC or beating the big boys and making the playoffs. 2022 will be the high water mark for Heupel he won’t replicate that.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Case in point :

Even though Tennessee is 14th overall in the Class of 2024 Football Recruiting Team Rankings, while Oklahoma is 8th ... Tennessee has a higher average player rating (91.33) than Oklahoma does (90.75). Oklahoma is only that much higher because they have 8 more commitments than Tennessee does. Oklahoma has 28 and Tennessee has 20. That is largely due to NCAA sanctions, which Josh Heupel had nothing to do with.

Oklahoma is not kicking our a$$ in recruiting. like you might believe, if you only go by the ranking, without paying any attention to the player rating averages.
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I like you, you actually present an argument, rather than calling someone a child who actually probably exceeds their IQ by 10 points or so. My original and presiding complaint with Heupel is, we are coming in mid-SEC in recruiting and middling SEC coaches are kicking our asses in the portal...that's all.
 
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DarkVolder said:
We got a 8-4 or 9-3 type recruiting class, forget any dreams of winning the SEC or beating the big boys and making the playoffs. 2022 will be the high water mark for Heupel he won’t replicate that.
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Let me ask you a question .... What were the recruiting classes like which preceded and assembled the 2022 team? What were the average player ratings from those classes?

Are you aware that 2022 Biletnikoff Award winner Jalin Hyatt was only a 3 star out of high school, and did not have an offer from his home state flagship school (South Carolina)? Hendon Hooker was a Virginia Tech transfer, who had been a mediocre QB in the ACC ... and been benched?

If you want to be miserable? That's cool, but that is not a fair projection of the trajectory of the program under Heupel.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Let me ask you a question .... What were the recruiting classes like which preceded and assembled the 2022 team? What were the average player ratings from those classes?

Are you aware that 2022 Biletnikoff Award winner Jalin Hyatt was only a 3 star out of high school, and did not have an offer from his home state flagship school (South Carolina)? Hendon Hooker was a Virginia Tech transfer, who had been a mediocre QB in the ACC ... and been benched?

If you want to be miserable? That's cool, but that is not a fair projection of the trajectory of the program under Heupel.
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Dude he’s getting schooled right now by Kiffin and others in the portal and recruiting
 
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DonDiego said:
I like you, you actually present an argument, rather than calling someone a child who actually probably exceeds their IQ by 10 points or so. My original and presiding complaint with Heupel is, we are coming in mid-SEC in recruiting and middling SEC coaches are kicking our asses in the portal...that's all.
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Let’s see how it plays out on the field lol kicking our ass I doubt it… you seem like a troll so I’m sure you won’t be here when we get to smacking teams on the field next year…
 
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DonDiego said:
I like you, you actually present an argument, rather than calling someone a child who actually probably exceeds their IQ by 10 points or so. My original and presiding complaint with Heupel is, we are coming in mid-SEC in recruiting and middling SEC coaches are kicking our asses in the portal...that's all.
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I'm not saying Heupel is beyond criticism ...

I'm only saying that it can be misleading to only focus on numerical rankings, without paying any attention to player rating averages, or to how many commitments each school has.

I honestly would not trade 2024 classes with Oklahoma. They have much more quantity than Tennessee, but we have more quality. If you only focused on numerical rankings, you would think that Oklahoma was recruiting circles around Tennessee. That's really not the case at all.
 
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DarkVolder said:
Dude he’s getting schooled right now by Kiffin and others in the portal and recruiting
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No, he's not.

Tennessee's class of 2024 is clearly better than Ole Miss's ... by any metric. They have zero 5 star commitments. Tennessee has two of them. Ole Miss has ten 4 star commitments, Tennessee has eleven. Tennesssee has a higher player rating average as well .... Hell, if you even just want to focus on the numerical ranking? Tennessee is still higher than Ole Miss ... and Ole Miss even has one more commitment than Tennessee does.

It sounds like you also think Tyler Baron is a big loss? He's not. If he had been projected to go high in the NFL Draft, that's where he would be going .... not Oxford, Mississippi.
 
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BoroVol93 said:
Let’s see how it plays out on the field lol kicking our ass I doubt it… you seem like a troll so I’m sure you won’t be here when we get to smacking teams on the field next year…
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Yeah, I've been trolling since 2011, moron. Check out my history, if your momma shows you how. My whole issue is how Heupel is handling the portal vis a vis other SEC coaches...that's all. I surely don't need to justify myself to you
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It's fine to check the 247 team standings, but you're focusing on the wrong thing. You're putting way too much emphasis solely on rankings, without any regard for how many commitments Tennessee has vs other schools, or for player average ratings. There really isn't much difference between Tennessee's class and LSU's or Texas's. You seem to think that there is.
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Lol, look at Ole Miss' rankings last year vs their 10-2 season. This ain't your daddy's college football world
 
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Chitlin&theDude said:
I love the people who say ratings don't really matter. They're the same people who'd be dancing on the tables if we had a top 5 class. We'll see how we finish after signing day, but we need to be better than where we're sitting now.
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Of course, they do matter, but you can't solely focus on the numerical rankings. Butch Jones had a very overrated class, just because he signed so darn many high 3 star players. Player rating averages are never given enough consideration in threads like this.

I won't argue that Heupel needs to do better .... but if he had just landed Jordan Seaton, nobody would be complaining right now. The numerical rankings that all of you focus so heavily on, would say what you want them to say.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I'm not saying Heupel is beyond criticism ...

I'm only saying that it can be misleading to only focus on numerical rankings, without paying any attention to player rating averages, or to how many commitments each school has.

I honestly would not trade 2024 classes with Oklahoma. They have much more quantity than Tennessee, but we have more quality. If you only focused on numerical rankings, you would think that Oklahoma was recruiting circles around Tennessee. That's really not the case at all.
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Yeah, well it's really cool to find a couple of nuggets in the bottom of the pan, but them's be rare. A whole bunch more Miltons out there than Hookers and the ratings aren't there for nothing
 
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DonDiego said:
Yeah, well it's really cool to find a couple of nuggets in the bottom of the pan, but them's be rare. A whole bunch more Milton's out there than Hookers and the ratings aren't there for nothing
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Right. You are just focusing on the wrong thing. Your focus is only on numerical rankings. It should be on player rating averages.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
They were 23rd overall. They only signed 16 players. Texas A&M was #1 in 2022 ... but haven't done $hit with it.

What's your point?
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My whole point man, 23rd, yet a lot better record than us, PLUS he hit the portal hard last year and he's wearing it out this year, get it? Also see loser Beamer...maybe not for long. Killing it in the portal!
 
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DonDiego said:
My whole point man, 23rd, yet a lot better record than us, PLUS he hit the portal hard last year and he's wearing it out this year, get it? Also see loser Beamer...maybe not for long. Killing it in the portal!
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Lane Kiffin is a very good coach. He has done wonders with QB's, especially. If that's your point? I agree with you.

I don't think anything Shane Beamer gets out of the portal is going to save him, however. I think 2024 will be his last. He is a two win wonder. He sucks.
 
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Not worried. Bringing back crucial pieces. Having a top QB is critical and I believe we have that. And then, you fill positions based on need and character. I believe Heupel has done that.

The sky is not falling. We could stack classes like Butch I suppose regardless of fit an character.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Lane Kiffin is a very good coach. He has done wonders with QB's, especially. If that's your point? I agree with you.

I don't think anything Shane Beamer gets out of the portal is going to save him, however. I think 2024 will be his last. He is a two win wonder. He sucks.
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Been a Heupel supporter all along and will continue to be. My only problem is I don't think he does much in the portal and his recruiting is meh. I hope he fixes it. I appreciate your responses.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
They were 23rd overall. They only signed 16 players. Texas A&M was #1 in 2022 ... but haven't done $hit with it.

What's your point?
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Point is exactly that! He finished 23rd in the polls--we finished 10th. The man absolutely killed it in the portal and he's doing it again, while we load up with a couple of junior college boys. it's a new world, I'm telling you---all free agents. Embrace it or lose.
 
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