9/11 Conspiracy Thread

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OrangeWayOfLife said:
Have you paid attention at all to what was stored in wing one of the pentagon, where the plane hit? I've tried to be logical and sound and nobody seems able to hold a serious conversation on your side. Youe best comebacks are point your finger and laugh, did you see that guys, rhetoric
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There's no way they'd allow that type of information to be released. Why do you think all the videos were confiscated? We are talking about THE Pentagon.
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
Have you paid attention at all to what was stored in wing one of the pentagon, where the plane hit? I've tried to be logical and sound and nobody seems able to hold a serious conversation on your side. Youe best comebacks are point your finger and laugh, did you see that guys, rhetoric
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Was the DoD accounting system housed there? If so, was the accounting information housed there and absolutely nowhere else?

I'm reaponding to you as seriously as I can. The problem is that your theories take massive leaps in logic that fall apart under very light scrutiny.
 
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bamawriter said:
Rumsfeld never said money was missing.
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That's semantics. He wasn't implying that they needed to upgrade the accounting system so they could fix a glitch. Fortunately, shortly after the department that was investigation the glitch was destroyed, they were still able to identify the systemic error.
 
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Threads like these make me think the fluoride in the water nutters might actually be right.
 
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red butler said:
That's semantics. He wasn't implying that they needed to upgrade the accounting system so they could fix a glitch. Fortunately, shortly after the department that was investigation the glitch was destroyed, they were still able to identify the systemic error.
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So, destroying that department accomplished what?
 
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bamawriter said:
Was the DoD accounting system housed there? If so, was the accounting information housed there and absolutely nowhere else?

I'm reaponding to you as seriously as I can. The problem is that your theories take massive leaps in logic that fall apart under very light scrutiny.
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It's possible, was all of hillarys emails only located on her server? Sure seems that way so why would financial records of dod, especially ones containing spending on black ops, be duplicated and stored at various locales?
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
It's possible, was all of hillarys emails only located on her server? Sure seems that way so why would financial records of dod, especially ones containing spending on black ops, be duplicated and stored at various locales?
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You have no idea how far the military takes the word "redundancy."
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
It's possible, was all of hillarys emails only located on her server? Sure seems that way so why would financial records of dod, especially ones containing spending on black ops, be duplicated and stored at various locales?
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Also, do you really think the military is as inept/uncaring as Hilary about classified data?

You can do better than that.
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
How would it be uncaring to house those records in one location inside the most secure building in the world?
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Redundancy?

Trust me, the .mil has backups to backups to backups.

But what sense would it make to only store said information in one location? Terrorism isn't the only threat out there.

Let me ask you this, do you back up your computer?
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
It's possible, was all of hillarys emails only located on her server? Sure seems that way so why would financial records of dod, especially ones containing spending on black ops, be duplicated and stored at various locales?
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Because Hillary's server was set up to avoid backup. But it's not quite true to say that her emails were located only on her server. Email is a two-way street.

But, the answer to my question appears to be that you have no idea if the DoD accounting info was located elsewhere, you are just assuming that it wasn't because that assumption fits your theory.
 
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bamawriter said:
Because Hillary's server was set up to avoid backup. But it's not quite true to say that her emails were located only on her server. Email is a two-way street.

But, the answer to my question appears to be that you have no idea if the DoD accounting info was located elsewhere, you are just assuming that it wasn't because that assumption fits your theory.
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You are making an assumption that it was backed up elsewhere, correct?
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
You are making an assumption that it was backed up elsewhere, correct?
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Are you asserting that the two are comparable assumptions? I'm "assuming" you are posting from somewhere with gravity though it's conceivable that you aren't.

Upshot is that I think the idea that the DoD would have that degree of "Well, if anything happens to this one place we're F'd!" to be the much, MUCH greater assumption. (Actually inconceivable to my mind.)
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
You are making an assumption that it was backed up elsewhere, correct?
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Given the insane, almost wasteful amounts of redundancy that exist in all facets of the government, particularly when it comes to the military, yes, I'm making the assumption that there are numerous backups in numerous locations.

To couple with my "why only crash two planes" logic query from before:

If the destruction at the Pentagon was intended to destroy accounting records, why would Rumsfeld make an unsolicited comment about the issues with those records the day before? Why not just blow it all up and count on no one finding out?

AND

If the destruction at the Pentagon was intended to destroy accounting records, could it have possibly worked, meaning that no backups exist?
 
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So OWOL, let me get this straight.

You think the very same intelligence and military agencies that you believe masterminded the largest terror attack in history and covered it up were somehow completely incompetent enough to only store financial data in one place in the Pentagon?

Your theory seems legit...
 
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bamawriter said:
So, destroying that department accomplished what?
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Let me be clear, I don't think the DOD planned 9/11. If anything Rumsfeld's comments prove he had no idea. Nobody makes those kinds of comments knowing they're going to be off the hook the following day. My point is there is definitely a conspiracy with the $2.6T. It could be that someone seized the opportunity created by 9/11 to hide massive amounts of fraud, waste, and abuse.
 
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red butler said:
Let me be clear, I don't think the DOD planned 9/11. If anything Rumsfeld's comments prove he had no idea. Nobody makes those kinds of comments knowing they're going to be off the hook the following day. My point is there is definitely a conspiracy with the $2.6T. It could be that someone seized the opportunity created by 9/11 to hide massive amounts of fraud, waste, and abuse.
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There's a huge difference in "losing" the $2.3T (which is the going conspiracy theory) and not being able to account for how it was spent. They know it was spent, just not how.

And I'd be willing to bet the DoD isn't the only government agency with that problem. They just happened to admit it.
 
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Grand Vol said:
There's a huge difference in "losing" the $2.3T (which is the going conspiracy theory) and not being able to account for how it was spent. They know it was spent, just not how.
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This. And we're not just talking "spent" either. $2.3T in transactions also covers what you received.

If you make a $1,000,000.00 purchase and someone purchases something from you for $1,000,000.00, your net is $0.00, but you've performed $2,000,000.00 in transactions that need to be accounted for.
 
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I don't doubt there was waste, abuse and probably some fraud in the Pentagon over the years but people thinking Rumsfield was saying the 2.6 T simply don't understand the context.

Frankly, I have no idea where he came up with that number given the total defense budget in 2001 was around 400Bn. To suggest someone made off with 2.3T means they would have to take every cent of the total defense budget for about 6 years! Assuming it would have to be siphoned off because clearly most of the budget was actually spent on things then it would have to have been embezzlement over decades and many administrations to get to that #.

Is that the theory? That some "organization" has been taking a piece of the defense budget for 30, 40, 50 years and W & Co. (or whoever the boogeyman is) cooked up this scheme to hide it?
 
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volinbham said:
I don't doubt there was waste, abuse and probably some fraud in the Pentagon over the years but people thinking Rumsfield was saying the 2.6 T simply don't understand the context.

Frankly, I have no idea where he came up with that number given the total defense budget in 2001 was around 400Bn. To suggest someone made off with 2.3T means they would have to take every cent of the total defense budget for about 6 years! Assuming it would have to be siphoned off because clearly most of the budget was actually spent on things then it would have to have been embezzlement over decades and many administrations to get to that #.

Is that the theory? That some "organization" has been taking a piece of the defense budget for 30, 40, 50 years and W & Co. (or whoever the boogeyman is) cooked up this scheme to hide it?
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As corrupt as our gov't is, nothing surprises me anymore.
 
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Grand Vol said:
So OWOL, let me get this straight.

You think the very same intelligence and military agencies that you believe masterminded the largest terror attack in history and covered it up were somehow completely incompetent enough to only store financial data in one place in the Pentagon?

Your theory seems legit...
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Did I post anywhere I believed any agencies were involved? I don't think it's incomprehensible to believe to black ops financial reports are not spread throughout .mil. Every time duplicate you multiply the risk of hack
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
Did I post anywhere I believed any agencies were involved? I don't think it's incomprehensible to believe to black ops financial reports are not spread throughout .mil. Every time duplicate you multiply the risk of hack
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See my comments on the size of the alleged heist relative to the size of the defense budget.

No way that much activity could be hidden in "black ops" financial reports
 
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And Rumsfield was being grilled well before 9/01 about allocating this money. It wasn't only brought to light the day before as you seem to suggest
 
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