9/11 Conspiracy Thread

[volinbham]

From the Wiki

Atta continued with flight training, including solo flights and simulator time. On December 22, Atta and Shehhi applied to Eagle International for large jet and simulator training for McDonnell Douglas DC-9 and Boeing 737–300 models. On December 26, Atta and Shehhi needed a tow for their rented Piper Cherokee on a taxiway of Miami International Airport after the engine shut down. On December 29 and 30, Atta and Marwan went to the Opa-locka Airport where they practiced on a Boeing 727 simulator, and they obtained Boeing 767 simulator training from Pan Am International on December 31. Atta purchased flight deck videos for Boeing 747–200, Boeing 757–200, Airbus A320 and Boeing 767-300ER models via mail-order from Sporty's Pilot Shop in Batavia, Ohio in November and December 2000.[15]

 

[Pacer92]

From the NYT article that "establishes" the 6 hours



I declare this instructor is clearly saying the training was sufficient for them to fly the planes into the towers.

I mean after all if the "pull it" comment is definitely proof an orchestrated demolition then this guy's statement that it was sufficient for what they wanted must clearly indicate they were sufficiently trained...right?

And he clearly says that training was on a simulator, right?

 

[theFallGuy]

Just throwing it in here.

Flight School Dropouts - 911myths

"As I've explained in at least one prior column, Hani Hanjour's flying was hardly the show-quality demonstration often described. It was exceptional only in its recklessness. If anything, his loops and turns and spirals above the nation's capital revealed him to be exactly the ****ty pilot he by all accounts was. To hit the Pentagon squarely he needed only a bit of luck, and he got it, possibly with help from the 757's autopilot. Striking a stationary object -- even a large one like the Pentagon -- at high speed and from a steep angle is very difficult. To make the job easier, he came in obliquely, tearing down light poles as he roared across the Pentagon's lawn.

It's true there's only a vestigial similarity between the cockpit of a light trainer and the flight deck of a Boeing. To put it mildly, the attackers, as private pilots, were completely out of their league. However, they were not setting out to perform single-engine missed approaches or Category 3 instrument landings with a failed hydraulic system. For good measure, at least two of the terrorist pilots had rented simulator time in jet aircraft, but striking the Pentagon, or navigating along the Hudson River to Manhattan on a cloudless morning, with the sole intention of steering head-on into a building, did not require a mastery of airmanship. The perpetrators had purchased manuals and videos describing the flight management systems of the 757/767, and as any desktop simulator enthusiast will tell you, elementary operation of the planes' navigational units and autopilots is chiefly an exercise in data programming. You can learn it at home. You won't be good, but you'll be good enough.

"They'd done their homework and they had what they needed," says a United Airlines pilot (name withheld on request), who has flown every model of Boeing from the 737 up. "Rudimentary knowledge and fearlessness."

"As everyone saw, their flying was sloppy and aggressive," says Michael (last name withheld), a pilot with several thousand hours in 757s and 767s. "Their skills and experience, or lack thereof, just weren't relevant."

"The hijackers required only the shallow understanding of the aircraft," agrees Ken Hertz, an airline pilot rated on the 757/767. "In much the same way that a person needn't be an experienced physician in order to perform CPR or set a broken bone."

That sentiment is echoed by Joe d'Eon, airline pilot and host of the "Fly With Me" podcast series. "It's the difference between a doctor and a butcher," says d'Eon. "

 

[bamawriter]

And he clearly says that training was on a simulator, right?

That particular guy only worked with them on a simulator. They trained at multiple schools and had true flight experience.

Now, it is 100% true that there is no evidence that they had ever flown any of the jets that were used on 9/11. But they had flown large craft. It's not like they'd only been behind the stick of a Cessna.

 

[volinbham]

And he clearly says that training was on a simulator, right?

A flight instructor said they got the training they needed to do what they wanted.

If you are going to argue "pull" was unequivocal evidence of a demolition why don't you believe this guy?

Isn't he an expert? Why would he lie?

 

[Pacer92]

That particular guy only worked with them on a simulator. They trained at multiple schools and had true flight experience.

Now, it is 100% true that there is no evidence that they had ever flown any of the jets that were used on 9/11. But they had flown large craft. It's not like they'd only been behind the stick of a Cessna.

There is no proof they ever had jet aircraft off the ground, much less a Boeing...

So quit chasing....admit these guys couldn't drive chickens out of the yard, much less pilot these two planes. Its utterly ridiculous that you fools believe this..

 

[Pacer92]

A flight instructor said they got the training they needed to do what they wanted.

If you are going to argue "pull" was unequivocal evidence of a demolition why don't you believe this guy?

Isn't he an expert? Why would he lie?

I do believe him. That wasn't the argument...

 

[volinbham]

There is no proof they ever had jet aircraft off the ground, much less a Boeing...

So quit chasing....admit these guys couldn't drive chickens out of the yard, much less pilot these two planes. Its utterly ridiculous that you fools believe this..

Plenty of evidence of their ability to fly these planes yet you claim they absolutely could not - why? because it's hard. Very convincing.

 

[volinbham]

I do believe him. That wasn't the argument...

If you believe him then you are undermining your argument that they could not have flown the planes - his statement is that they could sufficiently to do what they want to do.

Or if you are saying maybe he didn't mean they could actually fly and his words were in a different context then admit the same is true of the "pull" comments.

 

[Grand Vol]

There is no proof they ever had jet aircraft off the ground, much less a Boeing...

So quit chasing....admit these guys couldn't drive chickens out of the yard, much less pilot these two planes. Its utterly ridiculous that you fools believe this..

Do you have a YouTube video of them trying to drive chickens?

You seem to have one for everything else. I'm just wondering what basis you have for denying their chicken driving abilities.

 

[bamawriter]

There is no proof they ever had jet aircraft off the ground, much less a Boeing...

So quit chasing....admit these guys couldn't drive chickens out of the yard, much less pilot these two planes. Its utterly ridiculous that you fools believe this..

I do believe him. That wasn't the argument...

Two posts in a row. The second completely contradicts the first.

You are a terrible, terrible liar.

 

[Pacer92]

Plenty of evidence of their ability to fly these planes yet you claim they absolutely could not - why? because it's hard. Very convincing.

Flying a Boeing 767 is not like piloting a Cesna. If you will look at quoted from the professional pilots, there seems to be a theme that it would be almost impossible to pull off the flying they accomplished.

 

[bamawriter]

A flight instructor said they got the training they needed to do what they wanted.

Isn't he an expert? Why would he lie?

I do believe him.

If you will look at quoted from the professional pilots, there seems to be a theme that it would be almost impossible to pull off the flying they accomplished.

You just said you believed a professional flight instructor who said that they had the training needed to accomplish their task.

Look, we have established that you're a liar. In this case, which statement is a lie:

1. That they didn't have the ability to pull off the attacks

OR

2. That you believe the flight instructor who says they had the ability to pull of the attacks

Which is the lie, #1 or #2? Heck, are you lying about both?

 

[volinbham]

Flying a Boeing 767 is not like piloting a Cesna. If you will look at quoted from the professional pilots, there seems to be a theme that it would be almost impossible to pull off the flying they accomplished.

They flew more than Cesna's so that is a red herring and there are plenty (even posted in this very thread!) comments from pilots that say this was entirely feasible.

 

[Pacer92]

Two posts in a row. The second completely contradicts the first.

You are a terrible, terrible liar.

You are a complete idiot( womanly one at that)

I haven't lied the first time. But if you'd like to exchange info we can meet somewhere off I 65 and discuss it one on one. Just you and the liar. Up for that?

 

[bamawriter]

You are a complete idiot( womanly one at that)

I haven't lied the first time. But if you'd like to exchange info we can meet somewhere off I 65 and discuss it one on one. Just you and the liar. Up for that?

You're not only a terrible liar, you are super sensitive about your terrible lies.

 

[Grand Vol]

This chicken driving angle adds a new twist to the conspiracy. I'd prefer to know more about it before making a qualified judgment on whether or not to discount everything I thought to be true.

 

[Pacer92]

You're not only a terrible liar, you are super sensitive about your terrible lies.

And you're obviously an infantile name calling vagina...

 

[bamawriter]

And you're obviously an infantile name calling vagina...

Am I?

Or is that just another one of your lies?

 

[tumscalcium]

Whenever you do something dumb or just feel bad in general, just remember that there are still 9/11 "Truthers" and you'll instantly feel better about yourself.

 

[Pacer92]

Am I?

Or is that just another one of your lies?

Lol. At the man that's so big behind his laptop....answer the question?

 

[bamawriter]

Lol. At the man that's so big behind his laptop....answer the question?

Another lie. I'm at a desktop.

 

[hndog609]

This chicken driving angle adds a new twist to the conspiracy. I'd prefer to know more about it before making a qualified judgment on whether or not to discount everything I thought to be true.

C'mon man...there's driving propeller chickens and jet chickens...not even CLOSE to the same thing.

And if you haven't already grokked it yet the piloting of the planes was actually done by...of course...Sith Goblins.

 

[Pacer92]

This chicken driving angle adds a new twist to the conspiracy. I'd prefer to know more about it before making a qualified judgment on whether or not to discount everything I thought to be true.

The chicken theory holds true in Alabama is all I know...

 

[Pacer92]

Another lie. I'm at a desktop.

That's the response I'd expect out of someone calling someone a liar...