9/11 Conspiracy Thread

#876
#876
I have to be honest: when I created this thread last Friday afternoon, I thought it would flicker around at the top of the board for a couple days.

And here a week later and nearing a thousand posts, she still goes strong.

I find the determined resolve of the conspiracists and the dogged stamina of the anti-conspiracists in this thread breath-taking.

If it weren't for the fact this concerns such a serious topic, I'd give you all a cookie.
 
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bamawriter said:
Well then I'm just going to have to go ahead and call shenanigans, because I don't see how two pilots who had their FAA commercial licenses (Atta and Al-Shehhi), another who had a commercial certificate that was later rejected (Hanjour), and a fourth who earned a small aircraft license and was in mid-training for a larger craft license (Jarrah) could have only had "6 hours of simulator time."

If you are going to post bull****, you should at least do enough research to know that you are likely going to be called on said bull****.
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I said commercial airplane experience dick! Do you think that any of them ever flew a commercial passenger plane? And it clearly states they had 6 hrs on commercial aircraft simulators...
 
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After reading this thread, I searched for some articles, and landed on you tube..
One of them being

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU961SGps8g

If you could, watch it.. It is a one long video. Just to add all the people are technically sound. This video just makes you think. Something that I never thought about!

I am not sure if all these questions were answered later on.
 
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bamawriter said:
Pacer thinks that flight never existed.

Point being, all three that hit buildings had enough training to either be licensed or have earned a certificate in commercial aircraft.

This "six hours in a simulator" line is so patently false that the only people who could possibly believe it are those that desperately want it to be true and care nothing for reality.
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I caught a really cool documentary thing years ago that included a large discussion of the psychology of "conspiracy theory" advocates. In large part it was how what might otherwise be normal skepticism goes horribly awry and becomes a sort of obsession with confirmation bias and seeing themselves as being "in the know" above and beyond others. Once started it tends to be pretty self-sustaining.

Wish I knew what that program was called.
 
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CMvol said:
After reading this thread, I searched for some articles, and landed on you tube..
One of them being

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU961SGps8g

If you could, watch it.. It is a one long video. Just to add all the people are technically sound. This video just makes you think. Something that I never thought about!

I am not sure if all these questions were answered later on.
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Good lord YouTube must be the tin-foil hat wearer's paradise on the interwebz.
 
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Pacer92 said:
I said commercial airplane experience dick! Do you think that any of them ever flew a commercial passenger plane? And it clearly states they had 6 hrs on commercial aircraft simulators...
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bamawriter said:
Well then I'm just going to have to go ahead and call shenanigans, because I don't see how two pilots who had their FAA commercial licenses (Atta and Al-Shehhi), another who had a commercial certificate that was later rejected (Hanjour), and a fourth who earned a small aircraft license and was in mid-training for a larger craft license (Jarrah) could have only had "6 hours of simulator time."
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Pacer92 said:
See this...
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[The closest Atta and Alshehhi came to flying a jet aircraft before September 11 was the two days they spent at the SimCenter flight school in Opa-Locka, Florida, in late- December 2000, where they had six hours of training in a Boeing 727 simulator.
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This is a complete and total lie. The very source that is cited at the end of that paragraph (#28 if you're curious) is this article from The NY Times

That very article details that both Attah and Al-Shehhi had commercial licenses. It is literally impossible that they could have received their FAA licenses if all the time they'd ever spent in a commercial aircraft is two days.

This crackpot blog just posted a flat out lie, tacked on a citation to a legitimate source, and then assumed (correctly) that the crackpot reader would never think to actually click on the link.
 
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bamawriter said:
Pacer thinks that flight never existed.

Point being, all three that hit buildings had enough training to either be licensed or have earned a certificate in commercial aircraft.

This "six hours in a simulator" line is so patently false that the only people who could possibly believe it are those that desperately want it to be true and care nothing for reality.
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And before you call someone out again, get YOUR **** straight so you don't embarrass yourself!
 
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volfanngatorland said:
Check the post above yours.
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It's not like it will matter. I'm aware that he will never be able to process, let alone accept, any fact that doesn't confirm his assumptions (and by "any fact", I mean "all actual facts"). I'm posting this stuff just so everyone else can laugh at him tripping all over himself.
 
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bamawriter said:
It's not like it will matter. I'm aware that he will never be able to process, let alone accept, any fact that doesn't confirm his assumptions (and by "any fact", I mean "all actual facts"). I'm posting this stuff just so everyone else can laugh at him tripping all over himself.
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They never flew jet aircraft. Get over it...
 
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Pacer92 said:
They never flew jet aircraft. Get over it...
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They not only flew them, the FAA issued them licenses to do so.

You are not just a crackpot, you are a liar. No matter how many time you repeat this lie, it will never magically change the past and make your lie become the truth.
 
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bamawriter said:
They not only flew them, the FAA issued them licenses to do so.

You are not just a crackpot, you are a liar. No matter how many time you repeat this lie, it will never magically change the past and make your lie become the truth.
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They trained on prop planes. Did prop planes hit the wtc?
 
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Pacer92 said:
My point exactly..
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#897
From the NYT article that "establishes" the 6 hours

Marwan al-Shehhi, a native of the United Arab Emirates, studied along with Mr. Atta at the SimCenter flight school in Opa-Locka, near Miami, beginning last December. Henry George, an instructor at the school, said the two men spent three hours each in the school's jet airline simulator on Dec. 29 and 30, after telling him that they had completed flight school at Huffman Aviation in Venice, Fla., and wanted to apply for jobs as commercial pilots in their home countries overseas. He said they mentioned Egypt, but he was not sure if they were from there or had just lived there.

They did not seem to have the skill to pilot real jetliners, he said, although they could turn the planes.

''All they were doing is making themselves both prepared for the task,'' he said, although he had no idea at the time what that task was.

They were trained by Mr. George in a 727 simulator, and paid him a total of $1,500 for the training time. During the three hours of training, they spent most of their time practicing maneuvers and turns, although they did take off and land as well. It was not a formal training program in jet flight; he described it as ''a mini, mini introduction.'' For what they wanted, it was sufficient, he said.
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I declare this instructor is clearly saying the training was sufficient for them to fly the planes into the towers.

I mean after all if the "pull it" comment is definitely proof an orchestrated demolition then this guy's statement that it was sufficient for what they wanted must clearly indicate they were sufficiently trained...right?
 
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It's amazing how much fun you can have when you read thru sourced material:

From the NY Times article linked earlier, in reference to Waleed Al-Shehri, one of the other Flight 11 hijackers:

Federal Aviation Administration records show that Mr. Shehri had a pilot's license. Real estate records show that he lived in Daytona Beach in the mid-1990's and moved to Virginia in 1999. It is not clear when he moved out of the house.

Lisa Ledewitz, a spokeswoman for Embry-Riddle, said Mr. Alshehri graduated in 1997 with a bachelor's degree in aeronautical science. She said it was a four-year program, so he presumably enrolled in 1993. He took all required courses for the airline pilot area of concentration, she said.
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So not only was Atta trained to fly, one of the other guys was, too.
 
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