9/11 Conspiracy Thread

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Grand Vol said:
Again, don't underestimate the government's eye for redundancy. Even black ops budgets are saved somewhere even with an "open checkbook" for lack of a better term.

I think you're making more of a deal out of this than really is apparent. Saying "we can't account for $3.2T in spending" is not nefarious by any means. I mean, had Rummy found that out and known 9/11 was going to happen, why say anything? Why even alert the press to the possibility that accounting sucked? Why not let the attack go forward and cover up the matter entirely?

What point was made by announcing to the world there were significant accounting errors just prior to an attack? Would it have changed anything? And it's not like $3.2T was made overnight. You are talking years, likely even decades of unaccounted for spending. So pointing out a systemic problem in the comptroller's office wasn't going to change the tides.
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Rumsfield didn't bring it up, he was being grilled to answer for it. On 9/10 he claimed a war on the pentagon beauracy
 
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bamawriter said:
I get paid to write. So are you suggesting that "amateur" is a word that you use, but don't understand? If you do understand it, define it in terms of the 9/11 hijackers.
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Non professional. Were these highjackers not amateurs?
 
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I have a feeling 50 years from now I could come back and revisit this thread, you guys would still be debating this
 
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Pacer92 said:
Non professional. Were these highjackers not amateurs?
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So, one has to be a professional to be good at anything? If a college football player never makes it to the NFL, does that mean he was never any good? Being an "amateur" does not make you a "novice."
 
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bamawriter said:
So, one has to be a professional to be good at anything? If a college football player never makes it to the NFL, does that mean he was never any good? Being an "amateur" does not make you a "novice."
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Do you not realize how hard of a feat hitting the twin towers or the pentagon would be? With no experience flying commercial planes?

C'mon man..
 
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Pacer92 said:
Do you not realize how hard of a feat hitting the twin towers or the pentagon would be? With no experience flying commercial planes?

C'mon man..
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Not Impossible. Is a typical runway much larger than the width of the towers? You could see the towers from 50+ miles away to line up. It's not there was anything the same height making it hard to see the buildings/targets

I'm curious, what was the estimated speed of the planes on impact? I don't think I've seen a number

These guys trained specifically for this objective. I'm not sure why it seems so impossible they accomplished their goal.
 
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volfanngatorland said:
Not Impossible. Is a typical runway much larger than the width of the towers? You could see the towers from 50+ miles away to line up. It's not there was anything the same height making it hard to see the buildings/targets

I'm curious, what was the estimated speed of the planes on impact? I don't think I've seen a number

These guys trained specifically for this objective. I'm not sure why it seems so impossible they accomplished their goal.
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Not impossible, but certainly improbable.

The 9/11 Hijackers: Amateur Aviators Who Became Super-Pilots on September 11 | 911Blogger.com
 
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volfanngatorland said:
They were fairly skilled pilots. I'm not doubting that. They hit the target due to a combination of skill and luck.
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They had never flown a commercial airplane and had 6 hrs of simulator time...they had weak skills, if any.

[The 767 pilot who talked to the Boston Globe similarly said hitting the Pentagon would have been "extremely difficult." He added, "One degree off and [the pilot] either overshoots it or undershoots it." [23] Gary Eitel, an experienced military pilot, said that "the maneuver performed by Flight 77, as described in official reports, was beyond the capabilities of 90 percent of even the best and most experienced pilots in the world." Eitel said that "he was amazed by the piloting skill used to steer Flight 175 into the second tower. Flight 77 boggled his mind." [24]
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Pacer92 said:
They had never flown a commercial airplane and had 6 hrs of simulator time...they had weak skills, if any.
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Link to 6 hours of simulator time?

And not a blog or youtube clip. Doesn't need to be some kind of gigantic print media link, but it needs to be an established source, not some crackpot's downtime between porn sessions.
 
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bamawriter said:
Link to 6 hours of simulator time?

And not a blog or youtube clip. Doesn't need to be some kind of gigantic print media link, but it needs to be an established source, not some crackpot's downtime between porn sessions.
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It's in the link I posted.

And LOL at I have to have my link my way... :cray:
 
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Pacer92 said:
It's in the link I posted.

And LOL at I have to have my link my way... :cray:
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Well then I'm just going to have to go ahead and call shenanigans, because I don't see how two pilots who had their FAA commercial licenses (Atta and Al-Shehhi), another who had a commercial certificate that was later rejected (Hanjour), and a fourth who earned a small aircraft license and was in mid-training for a larger craft license (Jarrah) could have only had "6 hours of simulator time."

If you are going to post bull****, you should at least do enough research to know that you are likely going to be called on said bull****.
 
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Pacer92 said:
They had never flown a commercial airplane and had 6 hrs of simulator time...they had weak skills, if any.
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This is the same BS the "ancient alien" crowd trots out when they make the claim that modern man, using modern tools and technology can't replicate the precision used in setting the stones in various bits of ancient architecture.
 
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Pacer92 said:
They had never flown a commercial airplane and had 6 hrs of simulator time...they had weak skills, if any.
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I watched a guy land a C-130 at Eglin AFB and his only training was Microsoft Flight Simulator..

And by watched I mean I sat in the Flight Engineer seat.
 
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hndog609 said:
Well, he was shot down though...right? :)
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Pacer thinks that flight never existed.

Point being, all three that hit buildings had enough training to either be licensed or have earned a certificate in commercial aircraft.

This "six hours in a simulator" line is so patently false that the only people who could possibly believe it are those that desperately want it to be true and care nothing for reality.
 
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bamawriter said:
Pacer thinks that flight never existed.

Point being, all three that hit buildings had enough training to either be licensed or have earned a certificate in commercial aircraft.

This "six hours in a simulator" line is so patently false that the only people who could possibly believe it are those that desperately want it to be true and care nothing for reality.
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Its like the conspiracy nutters are huge muslim apologists and just can't come to terms with the fact that islam is the root cause for a lot of evil in this world.
 
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volfanngatorland said:
Not Impossible. Is a typical runway much larger than the width of the towers? You could see the towers from 50+ miles away to line up. It's not there was anything the same height making it hard to see the buildings/targets

I'm curious, what was the estimated speed of the planes on impact? I don't think I've seen a number

These guys trained specifically for this objective. I'm not sure why it seems so impossible they accomplished their goal.
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Some say well over 500 mph, near sea level. Plane should've been uncontrollable and those speeds are impossible to achieve near sea level in thick air if the aircraft were a standard 757/767 as reported. max speed near sea level is about 360, anything over the stress on the airframe is tremendous. These pilots were pulling serious G's in their turns at those speeds.
 
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