9/11 Conspiracy Thread

[ajvol01]

Let me stay at a Holiday Inn and get back to ya on that

Ok. Just something to consider.

Ever watch Breaking Bad?

 

[Velo Vol]

What's your line of work and what did you major in?

Just curious.

Not philosophy or engineering.

 

[ajvol01]

Not philosophy or engineering.

That narrows it down

 

[photovol]

I'm not saying steel has to melt to lose strength/rigidity.

I'm asking for someone to explain how some of the steel from WTC 1 and 2 became molten on 9/11.

What caused some of the steel to melt?

Indeed.........not Kerosene, that's for sure!

 

[ajvol01]

Here's some additional detail on the molten steel at ground zero.

High Temperatures, Persistent Heat & 'Molten Steel' at WTC Site Contradict Official Story

 

[05_never_again]

The military industrial complex.

Research Operation Northwoods.

Operation Northwoods - Wikipedia

WTC 7 was absolutely controlled demolition. No other explanation. It fell at free fall speed and was reported live on BBC by a reporter on location in NYC to have fallen approximately 20 minutes before it actually fell.

Larry Silverstein video interview where he talks of the decision to "pull it" when discussing WTC 7. Later tries to explain he meant pulling everyone (emergency personnel, etc) out of the building.

Mossad (Israeli intelligence) were posed as art students living/working in WTC1 for approximately 1 year prior to the attack.



World Trade Center’s Infamous 91st-Floor Israeli ‘Art Student’ Project

If you still believe that an aluminum frame airplane and jet fuel can cause those 2 buildings (both designed specifically to withstand a direct impact from a commercial airliner) to fall in the way that they fell (near freefall speed) then there is likely nothing I can say to change your mind.

So after all this effort to construct the false flag, the owner of the building just admitted he blew it up in a controlled demo?

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

Uh...

Hacker group threatens to leak 9/11 ‘truth’ unless paid in bitcoin

 

[ajvol01]

So after all this effort to construct the false flag, the owner of the building just admitted he blew it up in a controlled demo?

Believe what you want.

If you are good with the official story, that's your choice.

I'm confident what we've been told is nonsense.

 

[LouderVol]

The military industrial complex.

Research Operation Northwoods.

Operation Northwoods - Wikipedia

WTC 7 was absolutely controlled demolition. No other explanation. It fell at free fall speed and was reported live on BBC by a reporter on location in NYC to have fallen approximately 20 minutes before it actually fell.

Larry Silverstein video interview where he talks of the decision to "pull it" when discussing WTC 7. Later tries to explain he meant pulling everyone (emergency personnel, etc) out of the building.

Mossad (Israeli intelligence) were posed as art students living/working in WTC1 for approximately 1 year prior to the attack.



World Trade Center’s Infamous 91st-Floor Israeli ‘Art Student’ Project

If you still believe that an aluminum frame airplane and jet fuel can cause those 2 buildings (both designed specifically to withstand a direct impact from a commercial airliner) to fall in the way that they fell (near freefall speed) then there is likely nothing I can say to change your mind.

physics, real freaking simple physics.

which is heavier 1,000lbs of brick, or 1,000lbs of feathers?
Which would you rather be hit by? know that feathers can be compressed to a density similar to brick.

also the material hitting the buildings doesn't really matter. with enough kinetic force you could use feathers to knock over the towers. Look at what tornadoes can do, wood has been found embedded in solid concrete walls after natural disasters.

the only reason the materials matter is to know how much each one would deform after contact. the "softer/less dense" material is going to deform more than the harder substance. Both are still going to be deformed, one worse than the other.

and as a professional in this business you can design and even build a building to survive whatever. but it is still possible for anything to collapse. even stuff sold as something "proof" really isn't. Bullet proof can be shot through, it just takes a while. Water proof generally relies on a lack of pressure, or can fade with time. Fire proof is a fancy way of covering up "will survive in a fire for x number of hours".

if it was done by humans it is fallible.

 

[LouderVol]

Here's some additional detail on the molten steel at ground zero.

High Temperatures, Persistent Heat & 'Molten Steel' at WTC Site Contradict Official Story

just curious where steel staying hot in a fire fits in with your conspiracy? As I understand it thermite doesn't stop burning at really high temperatures. Temperatures that far exceeds the fires that remained after the collapse.

 

[ajvol01]

just curious where steel staying hot in a fire fits in with your conspiracy? As I understand it thermite doesn't stop burning at really high temperatures. Temperatures that far exceeds the fires that remained after the collapse.

I'm simply asking what event(s) caused some of the steel at ground zero to melt?

I didn't think it was a complicated question.

 

[05_never_again]

I'm simply asking what event(s) caused some of the steel at ground zero to melt?

I didn't think it was a complicated question.

Do you have any evidence of this that doesn't come from a Truther website? This is why 9/11 is such a great conspiracy theory - so much of the Truthers claims are unfalsifiable, or if you doubt the "evidence" it is because you're stupid, haven't taken the blue pill, or are part of the conspiracy.

Believe what you want.

If you are good with the official story, that's your choice.

I'm confident what we've been told is nonsense.

Depends on what you mean by "official story." If you mean every word of the 9/11 Commission Report, probably not. As I said earlier a lot of that stuff is a CYA move by the government.

However, I don't believe Larry Silverstein, in a joint effort with Mossad and our own government to invade Afghanistan/Iraq and pass the Patriot Act, blew up his own buildings in a controlled demolition after planes flew into them.

 

[AirVol]

We are told to believe what “they” tell us. We aren’t allowed to think for ourselves, if we do we are called conspiracy theorists.

Still amazes me that the Pentagon has thousands of cameras and only 1 video. Cameras from stores, hotels around the Pentagon were confiscated immediately after the explosion. Why?

 

[ajvol01]

Do you have any evidence of this that doesn't come from a Truther website? This is why 9/11 is such a great conspiracy theory - so much of the Truthers claims are falsifiable, or if you doubt the "evidence" it is because you're stupid, haven't taken the blue pill, or are part of the conspiracy.

Depends on what you mean by "official story." If you mean every word of the 9/11 Commission Report, probably not. As I said earlier a lot of that stuff is a CYA move by the government.

However, I don't believe Larry Silverstein, in a joint effort with Mossad and our own government to invade Afghanistan/Iraq and pass the Patriot Act, blew up his own buildings in a controlled demolition after planes flew into them.

The evidence of molten steel is out there for anyone that wants to find it.

I remember news reports after 9/11 discussing the presence of molten steel as one of the reasons the fires burned through December of 2001.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

This again. Every significant act in recorded history is accompanied by goofballs attempting to put forth conspiracy theories.

 

[ajvol01]

This again. Every significant act in recorded history is accompanied by goofballs attempting to put forth conspiracy theories.

Questioning the official government story is labeled a "conspiracy theory".

So the official government story can never be questioned?

Why can't people question things that don't make sense?

Why wouldn't we want to know exactly what happened?

 

[LouderVol]

I'm simply asking what event(s) caused some of the steel at ground zero to melt?

I didn't think it was a complicated question.

why did something bad happen in the collapse of two 1776 foot tall towers? yeah, nothing at all complicated in knowing what was in the two planes, the two towers or what all reactions actually happened in the collapse of millions of tonnes of material from the previously mentioned 1776' towers, two jet planes, and who knows what all personal effects. nothing complicated at all about the whole situation. I am sure the government has exact models built tracking each piece of equipment, and what materials were all present and are just not sharing it to keep the truth hidden.

:eyeroll:

 

[LouderVol]

We are told to believe what “they” tell us. We aren’t allowed to think for ourselves, if we do we are called conspiracy theorists.

Still amazes me that the Pentagon has thousands of cameras and only 1 video. Cameras from stores, hotels around the Pentagon were confiscated immediately after the explosion. Why?

its the pentagon, we also don't allow/like footage of our damaged tanks getting out. I could see a similar desire on the Pentagon.

also you are complaining about hundreds of cameras not being pointed at the sky to track the incoming threat. I doubt before 9/11 that was much of a concern.

 

[hndog609]

I'm pretty sure literally everything of any real substance

I'm simply asking what event(s) caused some of the steel at ground zero to melt?

I didn't think it was a complicated question.

I'm pretty sure basically anything of substance has been covered, probably more than once, in this thread somewhere. This is just one source addressing your question. I've no doubt there's many others.

WTC Molten Steel

Then this is a rundown of how such things can so easily morph into conspiracy "evidence". Somebody has a picture taken of a "thermite" cut column and it becomes an instant sensation...except it was never anything of the sort.

Debunked: The WTC 9/11 Angle Cut Column. [Not Thermite, Cut Later]

The real problem with anything of a conspiratorial bent (literally anything, Bigfoot/Nessie/Saban crossroad deals/etc) is if someone wants something to fit they can make it work that way. I once briefly landed on one of the Bigfoot shows (can't remember which) and someone had found a broken limb. After narrowing his eyes and looking around ominously he whispered darkly "there's a Squatch here". I changed the channel after a good outburst of laughter. Not all examples of bias are as obvious but having thing X automatically explained by the biased assumption instead of the Occam's Razor approach is bad juju. Worse is the idea that, with or without bias, there HAS to be a clean answer. Nature does abhor a vacuum and so does human curiosity. Sometimes realizing not all answers can be known is the right answer.

 

[AirVol]

its the pentagon, we also don't allow/like footage of our damaged tanks getting out. I could see a similar desire on the Pentagon.

also you are complaining about hundreds of cameras not being pointed at the sky to track the incoming threat. I doubt before 9/11 that was much of a concern.

That Pentagon $130 billion defense system didn’t work did it?

 

[ajvol01]

I'm pretty sure literally everything of any real substance


I'm pretty sure basically anything of substance has been covered, probably more than once, in this thread somewhere. This is just one source addressing your question. I've no doubt there's many others.

WTC Molten Steel

Then this is a rundown of how such things can so easily morph into conspiracy "evidence". Somebody has a picture taken of a "thermite" cut column and it becomes an instant sensation...except it was never anything of the sort.

Debunked: The WTC 9/11 Angle Cut Column. [Not Thermite, Cut Later]

The real problem with anything of a conspiratorial bent (literally anything, Bigfoot/Nessie/Saban crossroad deals/etc) is if someone wants something to fit they can make it work that way. I once briefly landed on one of the Bigfoot shows (can't remember which) and someone had found a broken limb. After narrowing his eyes and looking around ominously he whispered darkly "there's a Squatch here". I changed the channel after a good outburst of laughter. Not all examples of bias are as obvious but having thing X automatically explained by the biased assumption instead of the Occam's Razor approach is bad juju. Worse is the idea that, with or without bias, there HAS to be a clean answer. Nature does abhor a vacuum and so does human curiosity. Sometimes realizing not all answers can be known is the right answer.

Watch this video all the way through and let me know what you think.

 

[LouderVol]

That Pentagon $130 billion defense system didn’t work did it?

I have no idea what the defense system is supposed to do. I doubt whatever it was that hit the pentagon wouldn't have been picked up if it was flying at treetop levels. and there is big overpass right there in the direction it came from, wouldn't surprise me if that created a shadow/blind spot.

 

[DC_Vol]

I have no idea what the defense system is supposed to do. I doubt whatever it was that hit the pentagon wouldn't have been picked up if it was flying at treetop levels. and there is big overpass right there in the direction it came from, wouldn't surprise me if that created a shadow/blind spot.

That’s 395 and the 110. Traffic was a disaster that day and each of those roads were a parking lot. A lot of people witnessed the airplane fly overhead and down into the Pentagon.

Not sure what the defense systems were then but I doubt it was designed to intercept a 767 flying dorectky at the Pentagon. Especially since the approach to DCA at that time practically went through Crystal City and then down the path of the Potomac River, which flows right by the Pentagon.

 

[LouderVol]

That’s 395 and the 110. Traffic was a disaster that day and each of those roads were a parking lot. A lot of people witnessed the airplane fly overhead and down into the Pentagon.

Not sure what the defense systems were then but I doubt it was designed to intercept a 767 flying dorectky at the Pentagon. Especially since the approach to DCA at that time practically went through Crystal City and then down the path of the Potomac River, which flows right by the Pentagon.

thats a good point. if it followed the correct approach path to DCA I would say that the defense system would have to take that into consideration.

 

[DC_Vol]

thats a good point. if it followed the correct approach path to DCA I would say that the defense system would have to take that into consideration.

It didn’t come in over the river. I believe it came in closer to the 110 and then over 395. But still close to the river. And in between crystal city and pentagon area of Arlington.