90% of the issues with CFB can be resolved one way

[Delmar]

That's my point. They keep saying law would limit schools. Having transfer portal period not open until Spring would not limit transfers.

Depends on when you define “Spring”. I think a true spring portal period isn’t possible. That would be in the middle of the semester and can’t happen. If they don’t allow the transfer before the spring semester (i.e. December/first of January) or until after spring, the problem then becomes that the athlete misses spring practice. That puts them really behind at the new school. From a timing standpoint, I don’t know that there is a good answer. There are negatives no matter when they do it.

And the guys talking about laws limiting things are correct. There are laws now in place where the NCAA has lost every court case and they aren’t going to tackle those anymore. Congress would have to make some moves but I don’t know that they have the time or inclination to do it.

 

[Delmar]

It's all good, my brother. It's not always easy to transfer our profound thoughts into words on the internet. Ha ha. Yeah, at some point they will probably just stop making these guys go to class. I mean, they are already doing most things online. That's a terrible way to learn anything. I've tried it.

Agreed. I’m retired now and waaaay past that problem. I’ve had enough trouble learning how to pay bills online and not by check.

 

[BADGER_VOL]

Nothing better than when someone is certain they have an answer and still haven’t thought it all the way thru

 

[BigOrangePhoenix]

Transfers have to sit out 1 year.

And it wouldn't interfere with NIL, so it would be legal, right?

 

[BigOrangePhoenix]

People raise hell about NIL but really the unlimited portal transfers are the issue.

The combination of the two. Oil and water.....

 

[jeff1vol]

IMO... the only way NCAAF will ever return to any semblance of "ametuer" sports is to get all the $ completely OUT. Which would mean that an organization like the UFL would need to become the NFL's developmental league just like ALL other pro US sports have. Get the NCAA out of the NFL farm league business and go back to the old rules with an increased stipend for all players. Any 18 yo HS graduate should be able to work toward their pro football dream without being FORCED to go to college. Its STUPID. UFL teams could draft out of HS just like baseball. If a kid doesnt want a free education... so be it. Give them another avenue. Problem solved.

 

[volfan102455]

You’re not understanding how it works.

How it should work and how it does work is a different story?

NIL is just money under the table for the players (... e.g. pay to play ...). If NIL was truly independent of the school, there would be absolutely no need for any player to transfer other than it being a bad fit for them.

 

[ShooterVFL]

I think the key is to govern those who ARE considered employees(coaches, staff etc) Early signing period first week of November and then dead period until after the Championship game. Students can still transfer wherever they want without any restrictions, the restrictions are on the people who ARE employed against talking to any recruit/transfer during a dead period.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I think the key is to govern those who ARE considered employees(coaches, staff etc) Early signing period first week of November and then dead period until after the Championship game. Students can still transfer wherever they want without any restrictions, the restrictions are on the people who ARE employed against talking to any recruit/transfer during a dead period.

Wouldn't that encourage players to hit the portal earlier so they could sign for next year in Nov?

That creates a situation where a star QB or WR wants to transfer and to be able to practice in the Spring needs to be committed to his new team before the dead period, so they hit the portal in Nov to get a spot, leaving their current team in a hole.

Or worse, someone wants to transfer out, has a handshake commitment but no offer because of the dead period, and is still playing for what is their "old team" while on their way out but is not "all in" anymore.

Or maybe I'm missing your idea?

 

[Gandalf]

I don't understand your post. Are you suggesting I'm wrong? I'm not.

You are both correct and wrong at the same time. Correct because yes, they are still "students" at least for now.

Wrong because now that so much money is in play while they are still in college, the academics mean almost nothing to those who think they are elite players. That "degree" stuff matters to those who are NOT elite. When every starter in a top 15 program is likely making $200k+ in NIL and revenue share but still only a limited few will make it to the NFL, the ONLY thing that matters is how much they are going to make in college since they have a lifetime opportunity to make more in those 4 years than many wage slaves will in 15. And the more NIL they make, the more this matters. So academics? who cares? only the people who cant get that $200k+, either because they are not elite or not in an elite program.

If I told your average 18yo, that over the next 4 years you could get a degree or $750k what do you think any one of them with any sense would choose?

 

[txbo]

Except that it's not easy. Again, those things violate federal law.
The NCAA administrators and universities have done some pretty stupid stuff, but they're not going to go to prison because you thing violating the law is easy.

I know what the rule is. The courts could end that rule just as easily as they destroyed ametuerism in college sports.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

I know what the rule is. The courts could end that rule just as easily as they destroyed ametuerism in college sports.

The courts can't end a federal law. The current situation stems from the NCAA's chronic and egregious violations of at least two federal laws. And "amateurism"??? That's how people misspell "exploitation".

 

[08Vol]

One thing you can do is tighten the reins on agents. In NFL if you get out of bounds you do not have a job in the industry. I could declare myself an agent this morning in CFB. If the NCAA is looking out for the "greater good of student athletes", then they should look out for some 17 year old being misguided by someone w/o proper vetting of their abilities or motivations. Also, they could, for sure tighten up on tampering. CFB has fallen into the trap of what they legally can and can't do, but has definitely not strained to find common best practices which are good for CFB, while also staying in legal boundaries.

NFL is only able to do that due to it being covering in the CBA between the NFLPA and the NFL. College players aren’t part of a union so there isn’t a group representing the players that can make that agreement with the NCAA and have it not run foul of anti trust laws.

The NCAA had decades to fix this mess but the schools were too greedy.

 

[08Vol]

I know what the rule is. The courts could end that rule just as easily as they destroyed ametuerism in college sports.

The courts didn’t destroy amateurism in college sports. The universities did that when they started paying coaches 7 and 8 figures salaries per year and when the conferences started selling their broadcast rights for billions of dollars.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I know what the rule is. The courts could end that rule just as easily as they destroyed ametuerism in college sports.

The courts didn't destroy amateurism. Justices Kavenaugh and Gorsuch in Alston v NCAA pointed out that players were being treated as employees by schools ALREADY but not being compensated. They pointed out what was happening and that it was illegal not to compensate people who you treat like employees.

The only reason they didn't declare athletes employees then was that wasn't what was asked in the case but they made it plain that any case declaring athletes employees would likely win in court.

The courts DID NOT create the situation. They pointed out what was happening.

 

[GVF]

Fact is most portal entrants had limited to no play for underclassmen, and will have litle to no impact on playoff/bowl rosters. Nimrod likes are noted exceptions. (Rather odd with his play time he left for WF instead of seeking improvements to solidify his role on the team). Had decent play, but unhappy for some reason. Grad transfers are noted exceptions. Marshall situation a rare outlier. Some would have had noteable playing time. Some not as well.

Most players with noteable play time will not be in the portal, and will be playing in the playoffs/bowls. The impact to the majority of rosters will be less than 5%, and certainly less than 10% average. And little to no impact on the majoirty of players that will be on the field in these games.

 

[VolFaninFla]

SIAP
So many things need to be addressed and I’m not sure that they can resolve all of them quickly nor effectively
The genie is out of the bottle
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/as-exp...-display-it-is-absolute-bedlam-135732172.html

 

[GVF]

IMO, the NIL needs to fade into oblivion, and let revenue sharing take care of the players. Cap revenue sharing per team. Have a dispersement schedule by sport, by position, by starter/back-up/benchwarmer or whatever. Let revenue sharing cover all AD sports. Let revenue sharing set up funds to compensate for career ending injury so the player can re-direct his future. Whatever. Players get nominal financial relief from the situations they worked to get out of by getting to college sports. Address coaching salaries if necessary. Not even sure how that would look.

How this translates to smaller FBS/FCS schools etc., is a paradox. They have little revenue sharing and little TV rights. But, their NIL budgets are also small anyway if any. Most players in these schools were never going to get into a large program and are at the respective schools more for academic prep careers anyway. At the least, find a way to make that happen and their expenses little to none.

The portal dates are what they are for the various reasons outlined in these posts.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Fact is most portal entrants had limited to no play for underclassmen, and will have litle to no impact on playoff/bowl rosters. Nimrod likes are noted exceptions. (Rather odd with his play time he left for WF instead of seeking improvements to solidify his role on the team). Had decent play, but unhappy for some reason. Grad transfers are noted exceptions. Marshall situation a rare outlier. Some would have had noteable playing time. Some not as well.

Most players with noteable play time will not be in the portal, and will be playing in the playoffs/bowls. The impact to the majority of rosters will be less than 5%, and certainly less than 10% average. And little to no impact on the majoirty of players that will be on the field in these games.

Several high profile QBs are transfers including Howard at Ohio State, Gabriel at Oregon, Leonard at ND off the top of my head who are in the playoffs but started elsewhere very successfully.

Though he turned out to be a bust, D J U&$-+- left Clemson for FSU.

That's just QBs very quickly. Guys who follow the portal closer than me can probably cite far more starters who transferred.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

IMO, the NIL needs to fade into oblivion, and let revenue sharing take care of the players. Cap revenue sharing per team. Have a dispersement schedule by sport, by position, by starter/back-up/benchwarmer or whatever. Let revenue sharing cover all AD sports. Let revenue sharing set up funds to compensate for career ending injury so the player can re-direct his future. Whatever. Players get nominal financial relief from the situations they worked to get out of by getting to college sports. Address coaching salaries if necessary. Not even sure how that would look.

How this translates to smaller FBS/FCS schools etc., is a paradox. They have little revenue sharing and little TV rights. But, their NIL budgets are also small anyway if any. Most players in these schools were never going to get into a large program and are at the respective schools more for academic prep careers anyway. At the least, find a way to make that happen and their expenses little to none.

The portal dates are what they are for the various reasons outlined in these posts.

Doesn't that "revenue sharing" boil down to "pay to play" in the open which is better known as employment? Either way, to force a bigger piece of the revenue, players unionize and collective bargain for the revenue cap to be lifted (and I doubt it's legal under Antitrust anyway without an exemption. You can't really say in an industry..... "this is the cap on salary money for the whole industry".... because that's wage fixing.)

But sure, go pro and lots of this goes away.

 

[GVF]

Several high profile QBs are transfers including Howard at Ohio State, Gabriel at Oregon, Leonard at ND off the top of my head who are in the playoffs but started elsewhere very successfully.

Though he turned out to be a bust, D J U&$-+- left Clemson for FSU.

That's just QBs very quickly. Guys who follow the portal closer than me can probably cite far more starters who transferred.

Leonard was a senior/grad transfer. Burned RS freshman year. Likley trasnferred from Elko leaving?? He's one and done at ND.
Gabriel was a Senior/grad transfer as well, having played 2 years at UCF and 2 at OK. He's one and done at UO.
Both probably benefitted from Covid exemptions to even still be playing??

I did acknowledge there would be noteable exceptions. I was speaking to the majority of entrants into the portal fairly clearly.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

SIAP
So many things need to be addressed and I’m not sure that they can resolve all of them quickly nor effectively
The genie is out of the bottle
As expanded College Football Playoff arrives, the sport's chaotic realities are on full display: 'It is absolute bedlam'

This is an extremely good breakdown including this gem.

"While most agree that power conference football players deserve to earn some of the billions their schools generate, the situation, in this period of accelerated change, has created uncomfortable, awkward and perhaps painful moments — many of them the result of a professional entity working without a professional structure.

There are no real binding contracts; there is no players association; there is zero collective bargaining; and there is no punishment for rule-breakers as many of the rules themselves are the target of legal scrutiny."

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Leonard was a senior/grad transfer. Burned RS freshman year. Likley trasnferred from Elko leaving?? He's one and done at ND.
Gabriel was a Senior/grad transfer as well, having played 2 years at UCF and 2 at OK. He's one and done at UO.
Both probably benefitted from Covid exemptions to even still be playing??

I did acknowledge there would be noteable exceptions. I was speaking to the majority of entrants into the portal fairly clearly.

These guys are showing the roadmap, however. Shine at your current school, then market yourself for that big NIL payout.

Your suggestion that NIL needs to fade is not workable anyway. How does a school get around the "revenue sharing cap?" Via NIL, which is a private contract even pro leagues can't and don't limit (except for some product restrictions.)

It's not legal to limit NIL, so it's always there to "raise the stakes" to get a player just like under the table payments did for years.

 

[GVF]

Doesn't that "revenue sharing" boil down to "pay to play" in the open which is better known as employment? Either way, to force a bigger piece of the revenue, players unionize and collective bargain for the revenue cap to be lifted (and I doubt it's legal under Antitrust anyway without an exemption. You can't really say in an industry..... "this is the cap on salary money for the whole industry".... because that's wage fixing.)

But sure, go pro and lots of this goes away.

Not much knowledge to address all the legalities. Do know there is a better way than what is happening. Also know that revenue sharing is coming, so isn't that in the near future anyway?? so, if it's going to happen, control it, do something with the collectives, and reign all this in and keep it as college level as possible. In a roundabout way it was always pay for play. Thing they call scholarships that covered the cost of the educations for playing sports. Only NCAA baseball got the shaft cause they were limited to 11.5 scholly's for 26 man rosters. And other sports as well. It's no more a mess now than it has always been. Always had to be money under the table cause the NCAA was too lazy to improve the system before it went berzerk.

I'm old school. My preferred resolution is to offer all scholarship students the full ride plus suitable monthly stipend enough to keep the table clean. That's it. At some point this will spill over into the non-athletic full rides claiming they are treated as employess. How is a music major on full ride any different. Full scholly for an expected service. Makes them employees too, right? And it's no less important to them. Starting with sports is just the tip of the iceberg. This fiasco will get bigger by the decades.

Very few athletes go pro in any sport. Those that do have a short shelf life on average. Most will never enjoy these payouts too far past their playing days cause of family and friend handouts and lack of understanding of the cost of large contracts in the pros. Over 50% of those contracts are already gone and committed to taxes and such before the athlete ever spends a dime. A $10 mil payout is down to roughly $5.8 mil minus the jock tax they pay for games played in other states with state income tax. Plus, these contracts only pay over the length of the season. They gotta budget their posse life over the next 6-8 motnhs. Regardless of one's take on the subject, the school is offering a way to prepare for life after sports, and always have. And technically, by way of scholly for play, any person whether athletic, arts or whatever, that has been on scholly has always been an employee by definition.

 

[GVF]

These guys are showing the roadmap, however. Shine at your current school, then market yourself for that big NIL payout.

Your suggestion that NIL needs to fade is not workable anyway. How does a school get around the "revenue sharing cap?" Via NIL, which is a private contract even pro leagues can't and don't limit (except for some product restrictions.)

It's not legal to limit NIL, so it's always there to "raise the stakes" to get a player just like under the table payments did for years.

Salary caps exist in pro sports. There's already a legal roadmap.