92nd PGA Championship

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#126
cotton said:
I know; that is why I asked the initial question.



I heard the PGA official say last night that each of the last 5 groups had a walking rules official with them. The officials were present to help the players, not "hover over them." The PGA is the only tournament that assigns walking rules officials to any group; all others have rovers that must be called over by the players.

The officials could have let Johson turn in an incorrect scorecard and DQed him. This wasn't the worst result in any case. The bottom line is that the player is responsible for knowing, enforcing, and living within the rule. He ground his club in a bunker. It sucks in this situation, but that's a penalty.
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A rules official should have been right on top of it. The fact they assign walking rules officials makes it worse. But regardless of the tournament, when you are the last group on the course in a major, and the leader hits his ball into the crowd, the rules officials are normally all over it even without the player calling them over.

It's just bad for the PGA for something like this to happen. Yes, he broke a rule, and he and his caddy should have been aware. But there is no reason that the PGA couldn't have declared all those bunkers that are outside the ropes to be waste bunkers. The wording is "designed and built as sand bunkers". I guess DJ should have called up Pete Dye, or the PGA could have hired some marshalls who knew what they were doing and cleared the crowds away enough so that he could actually tell that he was in a bunker. It's a big debacle that could have been avoided, and it doesn't make the PGA look too good.
 
#127
#127
ridethelightening said:
I still think its ridiculous and I would have probably done the same thing Johnson did, but they were notified before the tournament started that all sand and areas that appeared to be waste areas would be played as a bunker. Asinine but the rule
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and I'm not arguing with that at all. I'm arguing that the rule was dumb as hell and can understand why Johnson played as he did. As Feherty said, he couldn't imagine why anyone stepping up to that shot would think he was playing from a bunker.
 
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#128
BigPapaVol said:
and I'm not arguing with that at all. I'm arguing that the rule was dumb as hell and can understand why Johnson played as he did. As Feherty said, he couldn't imagine why anyone stepping up to that shot would think he was playing from a bunker.
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I agree. The amount of pressure he was feeling at the time didn't help either.

Wonder if it happened at any other point in the week?
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#129
#129
ridethelightening said:
I agree. The amount of pressure he was feeling at the time didn't help either.

Wonder if it happened at any other point in the week?
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There are bunkers there that aren't even in the same zip code. Ludicrous looking stuff. Clearly the work of an architect working on no budget. Very few are additive to the views either.
 
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#130
Of course, the fact remains that if DJ doesn't gag under pressure (again) and block his drive 80 yards right on 18, he wins the tournament and we're not having this conversation. This guy could EASILY be defending two major titles next year.

BPV, I see where you're coming from, but this is not the sort of thing that would happen to Jack Nicklaus. Or Tiger Woods. Or, say, Jim Furyk.
 
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#131
For as absent minded as Johnson was grounding the club in a bunker, it paled in comparison on the meathead scale to Watson trying to intentionally hit a flyer to a tucked pin with his opponent in a buried lie on the last hole of a playoff. That was just a dumb shot to even think about trying.
 
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#132
I wonder what this will do to is mental game. He really bounced back from the US Open. But this could really wear on him.
 
#133
#133
Did Johnson ever admit that he did ground the club to an official??

I wonder if they asked him, or if it was more like, we know that you did?

If I remember correctly, his caddie didnt even have room to be around him when he was in that little pocket of people. So, there is no way an Rules Official could have been up there..maybe I am wrong.
 
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#134
his caddy also put his bag down in the sand.

i think once they told him it was a bunker he knew he had done it. they offered to take him to the truck to watch a better picture of it, but he didn't need to go. the class he handled it with has made him one of my new favorite players. i'd like to see him get Kaymer on Sunday in Wales.

i like how Watson immediately asked about the Ryder Cup. he needs to unbutton that top one though.

Martin Kaymer WAS the best golfer you never heard of.

does another sport exist that allows a fan to get closer to the players than golf? i watch old golf videos and those people are running around like idiots while the players are trying to walk though them. obviously they don't allow fans to circle the green anymore, but you can still get really close to these guys. i wonder if they ever worry about their safety.
 
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#135
That shirt Bubba had was great, the top button brought some kinda linear thing to the outfit!

Johnson sure did handle it all with alot of class. The camera's stayed fixed on him erasing his scorecard, and I thought any minute he was going to lose his cool, but he didnt. Think maybe that is why pro golfers are pro golfers. They dont steam as easily. That maybe all total BS! Who knows.
 
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#136
doozer said:
does another sport exist that allows a fan to get closer to the players than golf? i watch old golf videos and those people are running around like idiots while the players are trying to walk though them. obviously they don't allow fans to circle the green anymore, but you can still get really close to these guys. i wonder if they ever worry about their safety.
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#137
#137
You can't really see it on TV, but there is a definite security presence for the top players.
 
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#138
GAVol said:
You can't really see it on TV, but there is a definite security presence for the top players.
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i see it.

but it only takes a split second to put a knife in somebody or do something as equally ridiculous or far fetched.

cycling didn't even cross my mind, but that's pretty much the only two i think.
 
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#139
VOLnVEGAS said:
That shirt Bubba had was great, the top button brought some kinda linear thing to the outfit!

Johnson sure did handle it all with alot of class. The camera's stayed fixed on him erasing his scorecard, and I thought any minute he was going to lose his cool, but he didnt. Think maybe that is why pro golfers are pro golfers. They dont steam as easily. That maybe all total BS! Who knows.
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they do it very calmly
YouTube - Tiger Woods flings club into crowd
 
#140
#140
I know at regular PGA events there's not much screening, but I'm not sure about the majors. The screening at the Masters is something akin to what you go through at an airport. If it's anything other than car keys, you're not getting on the course with it.
 
#141
#141
there are some courses that have the scorers trailer fenced off, but as soon as they leave that, pretty much dumps into public area.

and at the masters players walk through the crowds all the time around the clubhouse
 
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#144
golfballs03 said:
there are some courses that have the scorers trailer fenced off, but as soon as they leave that, pretty much dumps into public area.

and at the masters players walk through the crowds all the time around the clubhouse
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there might as well not even be ropes at Nationwide events, let alone security.
 
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#145
doozer said:
there might as well not even be ropes at Nationwide events, let alone security.
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I've caddied at a Nationwide event. Getting attacked on the course would be doing a favor for some of those poor guys.
 
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#147
GAVol said:
I've caddied at a Nationwide event. Getting attacked on the course would be doing a favor for some of those poor guys.
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GA, have you ever played the Atlanta Athletic Club course that the Championship is going to next year??
 
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#148
GAVol said:
I've caddied at a Nationwide event. Getting attacked on the course would be doing a favor for some of those poor guys.
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me getting attacked on the course would be a favor after watching some of those guys.

nothing worse than watching a guy meltdown on the course in front of his wife and/or kids, knowing another missed cut is another step closer to becoming a paper pusher like myself.
 
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