92nd PGA Championship

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#101
golfballs03 said:
you thought that resembled a bunker?? because spectators normally stand in the bunkers?
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It's a Pete Dye design. He's notorious for putting bunkers and waste areas all over the place. I've played a couple of his courses where the cart path runs through a bunker. At Harbor Town, I can think of at least 3-4 holes where the spectators stand in waste areas/bunkers that parallel fairways. It's just what Dye does.

The point though is that anytime you hit a ball into something resembling a bunker, you just can't take a chance and ground the club unless you are absolutely sure. The penalty sucks and the bunker looked haphazard, but it is what it is.
 
#102
#102
those are waste areas, and you can ground your club in waste areas.

this is the PGA Championship. It's a joke that they determine all of those to be played as actual sand bunkers, not put rakes in them but let spectators walk through them and even acknowledge there could be tire marks through them. plus, he was the leader of a major on the final hole... hits it into the crowds... where is the rules official to make sure the player knows the rule?? That is just common in those situations. I think it's a joke. The PGA looks terrible in this instance.
 
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#104
I stopped watching after they what happened to Dustin Johnson. How long did take to clear the crowd before he hit that shot out of the "BUNKER". Their wasnt one official that could have said something. and since when is the crowd allowed to stand in Bunkers anyway??? what a crock.
 
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#107
I love the integrity of the sport, but it would still be fun to watch Dustin turn a putter sideways and stick it up that PGA official's hind quarter.
 
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#108
DowntownVol said:
There was absolutely no good reason for Bubba to go for the green on that shot. None. Had Kaymer been in the fairway, yes. That was just dumb.
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Exactly....he could have easily shot at the green without firing at the stick.
 
#109
#109
Tom Rinaldi this morning said a couple of players watching in the locker room were talking to the tv, telling dustin to be careful there in that sand.

Johnson's caddy put the bag down in the sand.... also a penalty...
 
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#110
orange+white=heaven said:
Tom Rinaldi this morning said a couple of players watching in the locker room were talking to the tv, telling dustin to be careful there in that sand.

Johnson's caddy put the bag down in the sand.... also a penalty...
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He is a pro. He should have known. That is the bottom line.
 
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#112
Vols520 said:
Rules officials aren't proactive. Unfortunate situation for sure.
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except when you're the leader of a major on the final hole and hit it into the crowd. the rules officials are normally all over situations like that.
 
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#113
espn's Gene Wojo.... LINK

...It was right there in black and white: "All areas of the course that were designed and built as sand bunkers will be played as bunkers (hazards), whether or not they have been raked. This will mean that many bunkers positioned outside of the ropes, as well as some areas of bunkers inside the ropes, close to the rope line, will likely include numerous footprints, heel prints and tire tracks during the play of the Championship. Such irregularities of surface are a part of the game and no free relief will be available from these conditions."
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"Honestly, I don't think anyone reads the sheet," said Watney.
Honestly, I don't know why not. It's 97 words, not federal tax code. After what happened to Stuart Appleby here at the 2004 PGA Championship, when he was penalized for the same thing, you'd think the sheet would be required reading.
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#114
golfballs03 said:
There are several young players on tour just using friends as caddies.
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I know; that is why I asked the initial question.

golfballs03 said:
except when you're the leader of a major on the final hole and hit it into the crowd. the rules officials are normally all over situations like that.
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I heard the PGA official say last night that each of the last 5 groups had a walking rules official with them. The officials were present to help the players, not "hover over them." The PGA is the only tournament that assigns walking rules officials to any group; all others have rovers that must be called over by the players.

The officials could have let Johson turn in an incorrect scorecard and DQed him. This wasn't the worst result in any case. The bottom line is that the player is responsible for knowing, enforcing, and living within the rule. He ground his club in a bunker. It sucks in this situation, but that's a penalty.
 
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golfballs03 said:
you thought that resembled a bunker?? because spectators normally stand in the bunkers?
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I saw a flyby last night, and without the crowds, there is no question that it is a bunker. If there is an argument, it should be that the crowds should not have been allowed to stand there, but having seen the course up close, it really isn't a good option, either. If you kept the crowds away from all of the hazards and traps, you couldn't host PGA crowds. I wish I could find a better pic, but here is the best I could do on short notice:

EDIT: wrong pic, I think. Trying to find a better one.

EDIT again: here is a flyover-- http://www.destinationkohler.com/golf/ws/straits_detail.html
 
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#118
#118
ludicrous ordeal. People standing in the middle of the thing was the problem. I understand why the DJ did it, but don't understand why it never occurred to him, his caddy or an official to make sure it was done properly.

Personally, I think the guy got screwed. If it's playing as a bunker, as all of us would view it, then you aren't allowing people to walk in it, period.
 
#119
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doozer said:
so why rake any of them then?
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There are actually those that think rakes should be eliminated. I think the whole design is goofy but I also don't get why DJ would even consider grounding the club in that situation.
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#120
GAVol said:
There are actually those that think rakes should be eliminated. I think the whole design is goofy but I also don't get why DJ would even consider grounding the club in that situation.
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I hear you, but people were walking in the thing. I think Feherty's commentary was telling. I don't think he was trying to defend Johnson when he was saying that he couldn't imagine anyone thinking that thing was a bunker. The rules are the rules and were enforced, but it was a tough spot.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
ludicrous ordeal. People standing in the middle of the thing was the problem. I understand why the DJ did it, but don't understand why it never occurred to him, his caddy or an official to make sure it was done properly.

Personally, I think the guy got screwed. If it's playing as a bunker, as all of us would view it, then you aren't allowing people to walk in it, period.
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It was asinine to me at the time, but if they were clearly notified that all sand would be played as a bunker, then the PGA had no other way to rule it.

He was on a huge mound. How else would sand have made it there?
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ridethelightening said:
It was asinine to me at the time, but if they were clearly notified that all sand would be played as a bunker, then the PGA had no other way to rule it.

He was on a huge mound. How else would sand have made it there?
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I get it, but on the same token, why would people be walking around in a bunker rather than a waste area?
 
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#123
BigPapaVol said:
I get it, but on the same token, why would people be walking around in a bunker rather than a waste area?
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I agree but I think the design is just so goofy that they'd have spent a month and a 50 page rule sheet exlaining what's a bunker and what's a waste area.
 
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#124
GAVol said:
I agree but I think the design is just so goofy that they'd have spent a month and a 50 page rule sheet exlaining what's a bunker and what's a wasye area.
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Agreed. Should be bunkers inside the ropes and a waste area anywhere that a patron can walk.

Having played the joint, I can tell you that there are bunkers that nobody would even remotely consider a part of the course. Fabulous course nonetheless. Better than the others in Kohler IMO.
 
#125
#125
BigPapaVol said:
I get it, but on the same token, why would people be walking around in a bunker rather than a waste area?
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I still think its ridiculous and I would have probably done the same thing Johnson did, but they were notified before the tournament started that all sand and areas that appeared to be waste areas would be played as a bunker. Asinine but the rule
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