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#76
#76
Originally posted by GAVol@Nov 15, 2005 2:58 PM
I still have nightmares of Danny Wuerrfel turning our DBs inside out.  It's popular to pin the losses on Manning not getting the job done, but our secondary got abused on an annual basis.
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If you cant stop UF's offense, you have to outscore them. Cutcliff's offense wasn't up to the challenge.
 
#77
#77
Originally posted by allvol@Nov 15, 2005 2:57 PM
FSU won the ACC from 1992 to 2000 and again in 2002 & 2003.  All pre- Miami and Va Tech in the ACC.

For all their dominance, they only won National Titles twice... in 1993 and 1999.  Only one of those seasons did they finish undefeated.
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That is excellent data mining.

FSU is not as good as it was then. They lose to other teams beside MIA, and with much more regularity. Now they lose 4 or 5 games a year. Therefore, we can reasonably conclude that the reason for their decline in wins and championships cannot be solely - or majoritively - attributed to a changing in the conference makeup.

 
#78
#78
Other than the shutout in 1994, we've usually scored plenty of points against Florida.
 
#79
#79
Originally posted by Liper@Nov 15, 2005 1:40 PM
1.Agreed.  Talent in SEC is pretty equal right now at the top.

2.We may have had a slight talent advantage over FL, but they were beating everyone pretty soundly.  Spurrier was the man with the plan there.

3.LSU was coming along, and they had good talent.  But their talent had not yet "arrived."  Our talent was mature and more broad-based.  In other words, a true freshman playing 5 snaps for LSU wasn't quite the same thing as John Henderson playing his Sr season.  I just don't buy that at all.

P.S. Mauck, true frosh QB out of the game for 4 years, beat us over an entire half of football against an NFL defensive line playing the run.  Someone explain that to me!

QB TN
WR TN
RB LSU
OL Tie
DL TN
LB Tie
DB TN
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DB award goes to LSU hands down. Besides Wilson, our DB's have pretty much always been terrible. When has that Defensive backfield shut down another team's receivers??? I can't remember. Their successes were based on pressure from the DL.
 
#80
#80
Originally posted by GAVol@Nov 15, 2005 3:09 PM
Other than the shutout in 1994, we've usually scored plenty of points against Florida.
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Not enough to win. Do you mean to tell me that UF's defenses were better than ours?? No way!
 
#81
#81
Originally posted by gonygonygo@Nov 15, 2005 3:11 PM
Not enough to win.  Do you mean to tell me that UF's defenses were better than ours??  No way!
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In that 4 year stretch, we gave up over 40 points a game to them. You tell me which side of the ball had more problems.
 
#82
#82

The fact is, the offense has been pretty ugle for large chunks of the past 5 years. It's gone downhill--and quite noticeably. Is it all Sanders' fault? No: UT's talent is down some--but lots of teams with less talent than the Vols have offenses that are more productive, more efficient, more well organized. In recent years the OL blocking has fallen off, the WR play has been spotty, there have been lots of penalties, slowness in getting plays off--a lot of problems.

Yes, the defense has been weak in recent years some, too. Special teams have been TERRIBLE for a few years. The whole team has gotten shaky, really. I think when you give Chavis some talent, he will put a good defense on the field. I can't say the same for Sanders. Hell, UT has played three years with pretty much the same group of WRs and yet NONE of those guys as established himself as a dependable, go-to guy. Fulmer has won a lot of pretty ugly games in recent years--but the team's gradually diminishing performances caught up with him this year. The Vols need a new OC.
 
#83
#83
Originally posted by gonygonygo@Nov 15, 2005 3:10 PM
DB award goes to LSU hands down.  Besides Wilson, our DB's have pretty much always been terrible.  When has that Defensive backfield shut down another team's receivers???  I can't remember.  Their successes were based on pressure from the DL.
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Do you rememeber what K Wash and D Stall did to them? I wasn't totally impressed with the secondary at that time.

Later, they were very good.
 
#84
#84
Originally posted by Liper@Nov 15, 2005 3:23 PM
Do you rememeber what K Wash and D Stall did to them?  I wasn't totally impressed with the secondary at that time.

Later, they were very good.
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Hell, it would have been worse if K Wash and D Stall were up against our own DB's.
 
#85
#85
Originally posted by GAVol@Nov 15, 2005 3:18 PM
In that 4 year stretch, we gave up over 40 points a game to them.  You tell me which side of the ball had more problems.
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Yep, agreed. But you won't get Chavis or Fulmer to ever admit to that. They still act like we shut them down in '96 after they got up 35-0 with 12:00 left in the 1st half. Delusional, I tell ya.

When they scored 48 unanswered points against us in '95, Chavis and Fulmer said we won the 1st half and they won the 2nd half. Delusional, I tell ya.

In 1997 and 1999 they said we didn't execute.

But Weurrfel was awesome in the system with those receivers. BTW, our DBs had a hard time, but that had a lot to do with the way Spurrier designed his routes and matchups (scheme not talent).
 
#86
#86
Originally posted by gonygonygo@Nov 15, 2005 3:28 PM
Hell, it would have been worse if K Wash and D Stall were up against our own DB's.
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Well, essentially every DB we had that you think sucked is playing in the NFL right now. They can't be too bad, talent wise.

Althought I will admit that our secondary has been a constant sore spot for me through the years, including '98. Yes, I said '98 (Florida threw for over 400 yards).
 
#87
#87
Originally posted by Liper@Nov 15, 2005 3:31 PM
Well, essentially every DB we had that you think sucked is playing in the NFL right now.  They can't be too bad, talent wise.

Althought I will admit that our secondary has been a constant sore spot for me through the years, including '98.  Yes, I said '98 (Florida threw for over 400 yards).
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They all have been outstanding athletes, but their skills aren't their strengths.
 
#88
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Originally posted by gonygonygo@Nov 15, 2005 3:35 PM
They all have been outstanding athletes, but their skills aren't their strengths.
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Their skills are good enough to play in the NFL but not the SEC?
 
#89
#89
Originally posted by allvol@Nov 15, 2005 2:57 PM
FSU won the ACC from 1992 to 2000 and again in 2002 & 2003.  All pre- Miami and Va Tech in the ACC.

For all their dominance, they only won National Titles twice... in 1993 and 1999.  Only one of those seasons did they finish undefeated.
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Take away the officials handing them the Orange Bowl against Nebraska after the '93 season and they have the same number of national championships we possess in the applicable time period.
 
#90
#90
Originally posted by Liper@Nov 15, 2005 3:40 PM
Their skills are good enough to play in the NFL but not the SEC?
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SEC: average at best, gave up big plays at the wrong time. were passed on by any decent QB-Qr combo.

NFL: below average, no playing time (except Gibril Wilson)

...and i'm talking about UT DB's from the last 5 years or so. not the 1990s.
 
#91
#91
Originally posted by gonygonygo@Nov 15, 2005 4:50 PM
SEC: average at best, gave up big plays at the wrong time.  were passed on by any decent QB-Qr combo.

NFL: below average, no playing time (except Gibril Wilson)

...and i'm talking about UT DB's from the last 5 years or so.  not the 1990s.
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With all due respect, I'm having a hard time understanding how you can make an NFL roster as a DB and be an average-at-best SEC player.

I never thought Rashad Baker was a world-beater, but he's obviously got something.

Which DB's on the other teams did you think were better than avg?
 
#92
#92
well i can tell everybody on this site one thing. we were alot more fun to watch 93-98 than we have been since. during those years i was optomistic, now i don't see anything good to look forward to. the rest of the sec has gotten better while we have declined. we could finish 4th in the east, changes need to be made.
 
#93
#93
Originally posted by Liper@Nov 14, 2005 10:48 PM
SEC RANKINGS
Total offense and total defense

2001 off=6 def=?
2003 off=7 def=4 rush def=5
2004 off=6 def=7 rush def=5

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The 2001 Defense ranked #2 in total defense in the SEC, #1 in Rush Defense
 
#94
#94
From 1993 - 1998 UT's Offense averaged 32.5 ppg
From 1999 - 2004 UT's Offense averaged 27.6 ppg
 
#95
#95
Originally posted by Vol67@Nov 15, 2005 10:41 PM
From 1993 - 1998 UT's Offense averaged 32.5 ppg
From 1999 - 2004 UT's Offense averaged 27.6 ppg
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IMO, that's still very productive... LOL

If your defense is playing well, 27 ppg will win you 9-10 games every year.

Have you ever heard the term, "Defense Wins Championships"???

It's a true statement!!
 
#96
#96
Look at Peyton and the Colts. They have always been one of the most dominant offenses in the NFL. And they have no championships to show for it.

This year, they have a defense to finally complement the offense. And they look like the Super Bowl favorites right now.
 
#97
#97
Originally posted by gonygonygo@Nov 15, 2005 10:57 PM
Look at Peyton and the Colts.  They have always been one of the most dominant offenses in the NFL.  And they have no championships to show for it. 

This year, they have a defense to finally complement the offense.  And they look like the Super Bowl favorites right now.
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Yep...and the Pats are down enough that the mental hurdle could be overcome.
 
#98
#98
The point is the offensive production is in a decline and has been since 1999, the same time Sanders took over.

From 1993 - 1998 UT's Offensive Production against UF, UGA & Bama 28 ppg
From 1999 - 2004 UT's OFfensive Production against UF, UGA & Bama 23 ppg
 
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