a bad rule

#51
#51
Donger said:
Sure it does. Otherwise runners would just underhand toss the ball to the pylon if it meant they got to keep possession on the 1 inch line.
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that is the problem,it is a rule and no way around it,weather you like it or not,it is just the way the ball bounces :)
 
#52
#52
Donger said:
Sure it does. Otherwise runners would just underhand toss the ball to the pylon if it meant they got to keep possession on the 1 inch line.
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No, they wouldn't.
The rule should be changed so that the ball is returned to the spot of the fumble, whether that's the 1 inch line or the 5 yard line.
 
#54
#54
Personally, I think it should still be your ball. 1st and 10 from the 20 IMO.
 
#55
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volinbham said:
Endzones are different than the playing field.

No one complains that if you lose the ball right after you cross the goal line even though you are not down it's not a fumble.

Safeties give the other team the ball without a turnover + points.

Quit complaining when a rule goes against us.
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This X infinity.
 
#57
#57
VolsSportsFan said:
I love the fact that since this just happened to us, now suddenly everyone thinks it's a stupid rule.

Before that play hardly anyone gave it any thought.
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I've had a problem with the rule for a long time.
We lost the 2005 Alabama game on it too.

I just think it's too harsh for the situation.
 
#58
#58
VolsSportsFan said:
I love the fact that since this just happened to us, now suddenly everyone thinks it's a stupid rule.

Before that play hardly anyone gave it any thought.
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Same as the unc bowl game, and they nearly immediately changed the rule. I understand the reason for the rule but it could easily be changed to where the ball is placed at spot of fumble.
 
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SandoVOL said:
Same as the unc bowl game, and they nearly immediately changed the rule. I understand the reason for the rule but it could easily be changed to where the ball is placed at spot of fumble.
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Except that rule change made sense and already was enforced correctly at the NFL level.

The NFL has the same rule for this.
 
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#61
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volinbham said:
There is plenty of reasoning behind it. Crossing the plain yields all sorts of different outcomes than in the field of play. Goal lines have meaning.

A touchback occurs when the offensive team offers up the ball in the opponent's endzone. Doesn't matter how you deposit there.
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Wait for it.............yep...............

Still a dumb rule!
 
#62
#62
Why should a punt that hits at the 5 or the 1 then rolls into the endzone come out to the 20?

Why should a kickoff into the endzone come out to the 20?

It's the same principle. You relinquish possession of the ball into the opponent's endzone and it is their ball at the 20.
 
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#63
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volinbham said:
Endzones are different than the playing field.

No one complains that if you lose the ball right after you cross the goal line even though you are not down it's not a fumble.

Safeties give the other team the ball without a turnover + points.

Quit complaining when a rule goes against us.
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The bolded part is a flawed analogy, because it's already a TD at that point.
I've thought for a long time that a turnover and touchback in that situation is too harsh. It seems like every bad rule finds us (UNC clock rule, UK not being penalized for grabbing Berry's facemask during OT).
 
#64
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volinbham said:
Why should a punt that hits at the 5 or the 1 then rolls into the endzone come out to the 20?

Why should a kickoff into the endzone come out to the 1?

It's the same principle. You relinquish possession of the ball into the opponent's endzone and it is their ball at the 20.
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You might as well stop trying to talk sense. They've made up their mind it's a bad rule. Too bad for them there's no way it will be changed any time soon.
 
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ukvols said:
The bolded part is a flawed analogy, because it's already a TD at that point.
I've thought for a long time that a turnover and touchback in that situation is too harsh. It seems like every bad rule finds us (UNC clock rule, UK not being penalized for grabbing Berry's facemask during OT).
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Why is it already a TD at that point?

That is the point - the goal plane is significant and the rules are different on the other side.
 
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#67
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ukvols said:
No, they wouldn't.
The rule should be changed so that the ball is returned to the spot of the fumble, whether that's the 1 inch line or the 5 yard line.
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Makes way too much sense.

There's no guarantee we would have won even if we got the ball back at the one yard line. But, anyone acting like this rule has legitimate reasoning behind it is just being a hard arss
 
#68
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volinbham said:
Why is it already a TD at that point?

That is the point - the goal plane is significant and the rules are different on the other side.
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We know the rules are different dude, the point is.....it doesn't change the fact that its a bad rule.
 
#69
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KingtUT said:
Makes way too much sense.

There's no guarantee we would have won even if we got the ball back at the one yard line. But, anyone acting like this rule has legitimate reasoning behind it is just being a hard arss
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It does, you refuse to see it, and it's a waste of time to try to explain it to you anymore.

You might as well get over it too, because the rule will not be changed.
 
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KingtUT said:
Makes way too much sense.

There's no guarantee we would have won even if we got the ball back at the one yard line. But, anyone acting like this rule has legitimate reasoning behind it is just being a hard arss
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It has been a rule of football throughout history.
 
#72
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KingtUT said:
We know the rules are different dude, the point is.....it doesn't change the fact that its a bad rule.
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It exists across all levels of football and has for decades and decades yet you believe it is a dumb rule so we should all suddenly support changing it to fit your view of what football rules should be.
 
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#74
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Wonder how many people here would be denouncing the rule if a Georgia player had fumbled out of the end zone?
 
#75
#75
Both touchbacks and safeties have sensible reasoning and conform to other rules.

The fumble rule contridicts other fumble rules.
 
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