A consumption tax I can unreservedly support

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#77
utgibbs said:
Yes. Income redistribution is a big positive, IF it is going to help the less fortunate in society.

Right now, we have reverse Robin Hood; income is being redistributed (as it ALWAYS is) but it is being taken from the bottom quintiles and transferred to the top quintiles. And this is happening all over the world.

It's just as VolDad says - the rich pay 40% of the taxes. But they possess over 80% of the wealth. Thus proving our regressive tax structure in one bold stroke.
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Which as not even close to the number/amount that is currently being funding.
 
#78
#78
utgibbs said:
Yes. Income redistribution is a big positive, IF it is going to help the less fortunate in society.

Right now, we have reverse Robin Hood; income is being redistributed (as it ALWAYS is) but it is being taken from the bottom quintiles and transferred to the top quintiles. And this is happening all over the world.

It's just as VolDad says - the rich pay 40% of the taxes. But they possess over 80% of the wealth. Thus proving our regressive tax structure in one bold stroke.
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Honestly gibbs, I don't understand why you don't just move to a socialist country. I'm not being an ass, I just wonder why someone whose ideals are so perpinduclar to foundations of the country that they live in-would stay.
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#79
#79
utgibbs said:
No. I believe the lower tax rate is simply a corollary of the new economic principles in the vanguard.
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Why the editorial extra? He's asking what you believe and how you support the position.
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#80
crazyguy said:
Honestly gibbs, I don't understand why you don't just move to a socialist country. I'm not being an ass, I just wonder why someone whose ideals are so perpinduclar to foundations of the country that they live in-would stay.
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it's because he's a hypocrite. He's stated, repeatedly, that he makes quite a bit of money, and he knows that the standard of living he enjoys here wouldn't be possible in Cuba, Zimbabwe, or Venezuela.
 
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utgibbs said:
Why did prices go up during the 1990s when corporate profits were at an all time high, thanks to low taxes? (not enhanced profitability mind you)

Then explain how you can make your claims when 1. inflation was > 0, and 2. purchasing power went down during that time frame.
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Hold up? So we had one variable driving all pricing?

Purchasing power went down? Does it take magic dates and crappy data to paint that picture?

Maybe for some context on purchasing power and elasticity of incomes, you should add some context to rising then stagnating wages. Competition, supply and demand should be at the heart of any analysis you attempt.
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#83
crazyguy said:
Honestly gibbs, I don't understand why you don't just move to a socialist country. I'm not being an ass, I just wonder why someone whose ideals are so perpinduclar to foundations of the country that they live in-would stay.
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What ideals of mine are "perpendicular" to the foundations of the country, exactly?
 
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utgibbs said:
What ideals of mine are "perpendicular" to the foundations of the country, exactly?
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we can start with the fact that you practically worship post-Revolutionary Cuba and hold up Castro and Guevara as these benevolent radicals who merely wanted a better life for themselves.
 
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#85
BigPapaVol said:
Hold up? So we had one variable driving all pricing?

Purchasing power went down? Does it take magic dates and crappy data to paint that picture?

Maybe for some context on purchasing power and elasticity of incomes, you should add some context to rising then stagnating wages. Competition, supply and demand should be at the heart of any analysis you attempt.
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I've established ad infinitum the stagnating wages during the time period.

volinbham suggests lowering taxes will lower prices. The tax burden on corporations fell dramatically (although profitability was fairly constant relative to previous years) And yet, although low (the one systemic success of neoliberalism), inflation was not negative.

I should think that is self-explanatory, but then, I've had to explain profits to folks in this thread. Who knows?
 
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MG1968 said:
we can start with the fact that you practically worship post-Revolutionary Cuba and hold up Castro and Guevara as these benevolent radicals who merely wanted a better life for themselves.
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Didn't our nation start with a Revolution of "benevolent radicals?"

Thanks for your support! :hi:
 
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#87
IPorange said:
Mechanisms. What are the mechanisms behind your numbers, driving them?
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Development economic policy vs neoliberalism (which was given).

Do you need a breakdown of each?

Just focusing on the former, a commitment to full employment economy, wages growing in line with productivity gains, investment in infrastructure and education, fairer allocation of national wealth.

In short, more people the fruits from the national pie.
 
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#88
utgibbs said:
Didn't our nation start with a Revolution of "benevolent radicals?"

Thanks for your support! :hi:
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last time I checked jefferson and washington didn't slaughter thousands of innocents to benefit their drug buddies.
 
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#89
utgibbs said:
Didn't our nation start with a Revolution of "benevolent radicals?"

Thanks for your support! :hi:
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Radicals come in different flavors. Some are simple and some are complicated. To think you just made a valid point on anything with that post is funny.
 
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#90
utgibbs said:
Didn't our nation start with a Revolution of "benevolent radicals?"

Thanks for your support! :hi:
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thanks for confirming my assertion that you are little more than a lapdog for the Castro brothers.
 
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droski said:
last time I checked jefferson and washington didn't slaughter thousands of innocents to benefit their drug buddies.
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Who are these thousands Castro has slaughtered? Who are these drug buddies?

As to the Founding Dads though, these guys:

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might have an issue with you.

Moreover, good Gen Washington has a massacre on his resume:

Shays' Rebellion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
#92
#92
hohenfelsvol said:
Radicals come in different flavors. Some are simple and some are complicated. To think you just made a valid point on anything with that post is funny.
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They certainly do, and the Founding Dads have a colorful history, no pun intended. :hi:
 
#94
#94
droski said:
you are welcome

Che Guevara: the media mourn a sadistic killer
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Why don't you find me some real history. That was absolutely farce.

Che did certainly execute, I believe 8 - 10 of Batista's men still in Havana when they marched into capital. Cuba does still have the death penalty. No one is going to make a wrong turn in the Sargasso Sea, land on Cuba, and declare utopia found.

The article, claiming it wasn't a guerilla war, has some history to read. Let's put it this way, 12 Fidelistas succeeded in the Sierra Maestra where 1000 counter-revolutionaries failed in the Escambray (with the support of the USA).

No, that's NOT Playa Giron either.
 
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#96
droski said:
you are seriously arguing guevara didn't kill innocent people in his lifetime?
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I think he is, which if he wasn't to be taken seriously before, there's no way he should be now. He truly is the gsvol of the left.
 
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#97
droski said:
you are seriously arguing guevara didn't kill innocent people in his lifetime?
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I don't know his master kill list to be honest. However, I also don't know a conflict in which he fought where he was on the wrong side of history either.

Everywhere he fought, the popular revolutions eventually won, didn't they?

Help me out, where are the thousands? Your own article claims less dead in Cuba than a year in New Orleans from the "Revolution".

Just point out the thousands.
 
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#98
"Guevara is estimated to have sentenced over 500 people to execution at La Cabana prison without proper trials."

And that is just in cuba. how about his time in nicaragua?
 
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#99
droski said:
"Guevara is estimated to have sentenced over 500 people to execution at La Cabana prison without proper trials."

And that is just in cuba. how about his time in nicaragua?
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not to mention what went on at Isla de Pina prison
 
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