A consumption tax I can unreservedly support

[hohenfelsvol]

They certainly do, and the Founding Dads have a colorful history, no pun intended. :hi:

What does that dark piece of American history have to do with this argument? No pun intended.

I see your tactics, shift and move.

 

[utgibbs]

"Guevara is estimated to have sentenced over 500 people to execution at La Cabana prison without proper trials."

And that is just in cuba. how about his time in nicaragua?

When was Che in Nicaragua, pray tell?

I'm having difficulty putting much merit in your history.

Three things:

1. I am not in favor of the death penalty.

2. I am not sure where MG has picked up this love affair with Che. Is that just bourgeois reflex?

3. Where are the thousands? I believe all of the executions at La Cabana were STRONGLY supported by the general population, and, in fact, I thought there was a real sense the population was likely to take justice into their own hands.

Sorry, four things:

4. Where are these drug buddies?

 

[utgibbs]

What does that dark piece of American history have to do with this argument? No pun intended.

I see your tactics, shift and move.

Hardly, it was directly confronting a pointed assertion by droski.

 

[utgibbs]

I'm trying to understand how prices went up but inflation didn't
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Did you want to have a retry on this? I suspect you do.

 

[volinbham]

Did you want to have a retry on this? I suspect you do.

No.

 

[VolDad]

....It's just as VolDad says - the rich pay 40% of the taxes. But they possess over 80% of the wealth. Thus proving our regressive tax structure in one bold stroke.

Do you use the Obama definition of "Rich" - anyone earning over $250,000 per year?

Where did you come up with the "possess over 80% of the wealth" information?

 

[utgibbs]

No.

Alrighty then. :hi:

 

[therealUT]

Did you want to have a retry on this? I suspect you do.

Indecent talk, my friend.
You, you're a reckless fool - I see that. So,
the gods don't hand out all their gifts at once,
not build and brains and flowing speech to all.
One man may fail to impress us with his looks
but a god can crown his words with beauty, charm,
and men look on with delight when he speaks out.
Never faltering, filled with winning self-control,
he shines forth at assembly grounds and people gaze
at him like a god when he walks through the streets.
Another man may look like a deathless one on high
but there's not a bit of grace to crown his words.
Just like you, my fine, handsome friend. Not even
a god could improve those lovely looks of yours
but the mind inside is worthless.
Your slander fans the anger in my heart!

.

 

[IPorange]

Development economic policy vs neoliberalism (which was given).

Do you need a breakdown of each?

Just focusing on the former, a commitment to full employment economy, wages growing in line with productivity gains, investment in infrastructure and education, fairer allocation of national wealth.

In short, more people the fruits from the national pie.

This doesn't answer the question. I for incomplete.

 

[utgibbs]

Do you use the Obama definition of "Rich" - anyone earning over $250,000 per year?

Where did you come up with the "possess over 80% of the wealth" information?

There are a variety of sources on the disparity in America.

Here is one I thought might be of real interest (comparing the real world to those value beliefs [otherwise known as myths] we often hold dear):

Generally the data is put into quintiles, so my default is the top quintile. However, this masks what is really happening. In fact, the top 1% of that quintile has BY FAR the majority of everything.

 

[utgibbs]

This doesn't answer the question. I for incomplete.

0 for no points scored.

But I'll be your huckleberry as you descend into farce.

 

[IPorange]

0 for no points scored.

But I'll be your huckleberry as you descend into farce.

If you can't explain the mechanism underlying your claim, how can you expect anyone to judge it as accurate?

 

[utgibbs]

.

yawn.

 

[utgibbs]

If you can't explain the mechanism underlying your claim, how can you expect anyone to judge it as accurate?

If you can't explain how it is not explained, what does that have to do with the price of fish?

0 for no points scored.

 

[NEO]

Do you use the Obama definition of "Rich" - anyone earning over $250,000 per year?

Where did you come up with the "possess over 80% of the wealth" information?

Gibbs, can you answer this if you haven't.

I'm kinda curious.

 

[utgibbs]

Gibbs, can you answer this if you haven't.

I'm kinda curious.

There are numerous sources, I've posted one (with a picture) above. Usually the data is given in quintiles, but this masks the real effect. The top 1% has by far the lion's share, and the top 4 - 5% have, well, most everything.

Here depicts the growth rate of income (with source):

 

[utgibbs]

here are some census tables which you can compile from 2004, but the trends are clear:

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/wealth/2004_tables.html

 

[NEO]

There are numerous sources, I've posted one (with a picture) above. Usually the data is given in quintiles, but this masks the real effect. The top 1% has by far the lion's share, and the top 4 - 5% have, well, most everything.

Here depicts the growth rate of income (with source):

Let's pretend I make 468K per year and have 3 kids. Am I rich?

 

[therealUT]

Gibbs:

Hypothetically speaking, do you think social-stratification, in and of itself, is a bad thing?

 

[utgibbs]

Let's pretend I make 468K per year and have 3 kids. Am I rich?

You are in the top quintile. Well done.

Depending on what you've done with your earnings over the years, you may well be in the magic 1% club.

 

[utgibbs]

Gibbs:

Hypothetically speaking, do you think social-stratification, in and of itself, is a bad thing?

As I have said, I am very fond of Rawls view of justice, and especially the way he develops his arguments.

To the point though, Rawls view of justice permits inequity so long as the inequity serves the least of society.

In other words, we don't want to prevent the best flavist from being in Jethro Tull. Nor do we want to saddle Peyton with sandbags a la Harrison Bergenon.

But the society which recognizes and honors the flavist and Peyton Manning must also reward those not so gifted or who had a starting point much further back.

It seems, the issue arises in these boards in how we build a society addressing this fundamental point of justice. However, not to be too esoteric, our own historical circumstances require even more from us than addressing justice to humankind alone.

 

[therealUT]

Yes or No, please.

 

[NEO]

You are in the top quintile. Well done.

Depending on what you've done with your earnings over the years, you may well be in the magic 1% club.

No. This is a pretend number and scenerio. I am in no way stating this is my income.

I am using this number as the basis of a question.

Am I rich?

 

[NEO]

As I have said, I am very fond of Rawls view of justice, and especially the way he develops his arguments.

To the point though, Rawls view of justice permits inequity so long as the inequity serves the least of society.

In other words, we don't want to prevent the best flavist from being in Jethro Tull. Nor do we want to saddle Peyton with sandbags a la Harrison Bergenon.

But the society which recognizes and honors the flavist and Peyton Manning must also reward those not so gifted or who had a starting point much further back.

but if the person starting way back does not try to advance themself are they allowed to starve in your perfect society?

 

[utgibbs]

Yes or No, please.

How have I not answered your question in full? I thought you were the pure vessel of original thought on VolNation? Might want to buck up some of your ideas then.