A little bit of calculations concerning Basillios article

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First, to compare Majors and Fulmer, one must compare them in the same era. Therefore, in following calculations, I have thrown out SEC Championship game results and any games against South Carolina and Arkansas.

Also, I am only comparing Fulmer and Majors against SEC competition.

Second, I have no idea what rankings Basillio used to make his story, however, I am using the final rankings by year as voted on by the AP and the Coaches Poll. Here are my findings:

In their last 7 seasons:

Majors faced 9 Final AP Poll Top Ten SEC Teams. UT won 1 of those games. Winning percentage: 11.11%

Fulmer faced 11 Final AP Poll Top Ten SEC Teams. UT won 5 of those games. Winning percentage: 45.45%

Against competition ranked 10-25, Majors had the upper hand with a 42.86% against Fulmer's 25%.

However, against total Final AP Poll Top 25 SEC Competition:

Fulmer: 36.84%

Majors: 25%
 
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My guess would be that Basilio used the standard every program in the country uses in their media guide, where the team was ranked when UT played them.
 
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He might have...however, if you beat the #1 team in the first week of the season, then they go on to lose 5 more games...did you really beat the top team in the country? I would rather put my faith in the final polls.
 
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(therealUT @ Jul 10 said:
He might have...however, if you beat the #1 team in the first week of the season, then they go on to lose 5 more games...did you really beat the top team in the country? I would rather put my faith in the final polls.
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Actually, you and I agree on that. However, that's not the measure everyone uses.
 
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Amazing....a PRO Fulmer thread and all (Save for hat, who will SOME of the time, analyze posts on their merit instead of person posting them and the stance they take), the Nega Vols stay out of it....hmmmm I wonder why?
 
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Didn't take them that long to jump into the Anti-Fulmer thread.

Sorry, I'm just so tired of it. I mean hell fire, they talk like we are Baylor and we're the winningest Program in the SEC in the last 10 years.
 
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(OrangeSquare @ Jul 10 said:
Didn't take them that long to jump into the Anti-Fulmer thread.

Sorry, I'm just so tired of it. I mean hell fire, they talk like we are Baylor and we're the winningest Program in the SEC in the last 10 years.
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To quote the great volman 130....

"54 Days. :matrix: "

Summer'll be over soon O2.
 
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(orange+white=heaven @ Jul 10 said:
To quote the great volman 130....

"54 Days. :matrix: "

Summer'll be over soon O2.
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Yeah, then Tennessee starts winning and they jump back on the wagon. I can hardly wait.

I'm a little sensitive today, my grandfather-in-law passed away Friday, and the funeral is tonight. Just trying to keep my mind off that, but sitting here getting mad isn't helping, I guess I'll take off for awhile.

54 Days! GO VOLS!
 
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(OrangeSquare @ Jul 10 said:
Amazing....a PRO Fulmer thread and all (Save for hat, who will SOME of the time, analyze posts on their merit instead of person posting them and the stance they take), the Nega Vols stay out of it....hmmmm I wonder why?
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Can we get an official list of these so-called "Nega Vols"? Just curious ...
 
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(VolinArizona @ Jul 10 said:
Can we get an official list of these so-called "Nega Vols"? Just curious ...
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it would probably be easier to get the coaches to tell us who the voted for in the coaches poll every week!!! :D JK.

the thing i always get out of reading the posts between the so called nega vols and fulmerites is that the truth is actually in the middle....

it's probalby not near as bad as some labeled as nega vols would have you think, and it's not as good as what some of the fulmerites think it is.

the truth: we aren't up to par right now, and we haven't been for about 5 years. Our player development is sorely lacking. We have had a serious "loose ship" problem for a while. the offensive production is not good. The players don't execute like they should, and the coaches haven't fixed the problem....

blame goes all around. 1. i blame UTAD for giving CPF raises in years where he clearly didn't deserve such a large increase. that creates an environment of complacency. If you performance is average, and get compensated above average, i don't know that improvement is the highest priority (the old, if ain't broke, don't fix it mentality). 2. I blame the players. they still have some responsibility to prepare and perform in the manner they are expected. 3. and not least, i blame the coaches. Our coaches have not done the players justice the past few years, in that they have created an environment that it is allowable, maybe not endorsed, to underperform in practice and let that translate on the feild. And they have not done them justice in developing thier talet level. it is quite noticeable that very few players get remarkably better as their career goes on while at UT.

But, even with all that, we have still been to two SEC title games in that 5 year span. which is where a lot of the so called flumerites probably get there optimistic outlook.

And, regardless of what side of the fence you are on on CPF, if you haven't noticed any of the above, you haven't been paying attention.
 
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(rexvol @ Jul 11 said:
fantasic post, right on the money
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Yeah, he pretty much nailed it.

I'm not going to sit here and list people personally, for obvious reasons, but It's pretty easy to see who uses every post them make to say something negative about Tennessee, it's players, it's coaches, it's band, etc etc etc.

Thanks OW=H
 
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I would say we weren't up to par in 2002, 2005, and 2000. However, back-to-back 10 win seasons in '03 and '04 are nothing to scoff at or call subpar.
 
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(therealUT @ Jul 11 said:
I would say we weren't up to par in 2002, 2005, and 2000. However, back-to-back 10 win seasons in '03 and '04 are nothing to scoff at or call subpar.
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True. I'll agree with that too.

As long as Tennessee is turning in ten win seasons, I'm in a good mood. Anything more than that, makes me very happy, and anything less than that, to me is a disapointment. Anything less than 9 wins is unexceptable.
 
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(OrangeSquare @ Jul 11 said:
True. I'll agree with that too.

As long as Tennessee is turning in ten win seasons, I'm in a good mood. Anything more than that, makes me very happy, and anything less than that, to me is a disapointment. Anything less than 9 wins is unexceptable.
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Do you mean unacceptable?
 
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It was remarked upon earlier, so please forgive me. I'm just happy to see a civil, well thought out discussion on CPF.

 
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I, personally, can't wait 'til the day we can put our calculators away and find out what this team and these coaches are made of. 2006 WILL be a pivotal year in the near-future of our program. If we can come out of the gates running and pick up wins against Cal and Florida, it will represent a lot of gusto and that we still have the fire that produces champions. A couple of early losses could certainly weigh heavy on the hearts of the Vol Nation and would likely (IMO) lead to a couple of more as the season goes on. As I've said before, 4+ losses = time for a change.
 
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(therealUT @ Jul 10 said:
Also, I am only comparing Fulmer and Majors against SEC competition.
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For some obvious reasons you chose to do that. Fulmer has a 2-4 bowl record vs Majors 5-1 bowl record. Those are as important as most of the games in the SEC.

Not to mention Fulmer being 1-4 vs Richt, 1-2 vs Tubberville, and 1-2 vs Saban, the 3 best coaches in the SEC during that time.

If rankings are important to you, you should note that UT finished outside the top 25, 3 of the last 6 seasons. How many of Majors last seasons ended up outside the top 25? I believe one.
 
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What was Johnny's record in the SECCG?

Oh, that's right..... :rolleyes:

The whole discussion is pointless.

Different eras. It's like comparing Peyton to Bart Starr or Barry Bonds to Babe Ruth.
 
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(oklavol @ Jul 11 said:
For some obvious reasons you chose to do that. Fulmer has a 2-4 bowl record vs Majors 5-1 bowl record. Those are as important as most of the games in the SEC.

Not to mention Fulmer being 1-4 vs Richt, 0-3 vs Tubberville, and 0-2 vs Saban, the 3 best coaches in the SEC during that time.

If rankings are important to you, you should note that UT finished outside the top 25, 3 of the last 6 seasons. How many of Majors last seasons ended up outside the top 25? I believe 1.
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By the way, Phil beat LSU and Saban in 01. If you are going to use STATS to back up your point, atleast get them right.
 
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