A Racist Take On Our New Coach

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bamacheats said:
Ok. If I'm the AD at BYU, the white guy; Grambling, the black guy.
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There are colleges like grambling? Historical black colleges that some students attend to be taught by people they feel they can relate to, lean on for guidance and associate with people that they may feel more comfortable with? I didn't know. That's crazy. Are there more colleges like that?
 
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pl3 said:
There are colleges like grambling? Historical black colleges that some students attend to be taught by people they feel they can relate to, lean on for guidance and associate with people that they may feel more comfortable with? I didn't know. That's crazy. Are there more colleges like that?
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Don't be trying to bring logic into this thread. Unless you're willing to start inventing make believe accusations that you can throw around.
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bamacheats said:
Don't be trying to bring logic into this thread. Unless you're willing to start inventing make believe accusations that you can throw around.
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Logic was lost and the thread turned because people went off on a tangent rather than reading and understanding. There are @ 55 historically black colleges and I'm guessing at least 400K students. Not one of them must have gone there due to their comfort level with their own race/culture, right? I'm officially done with this one. Like I said earlier, making a common sense point on here is like giving an elephant a tic-tac. It's useless.
 
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bamacheats said:
I'll help you guys out. Here's the OP. Please put into bold my "entire race" comment.
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Are you talking about one imaginary recruit?

bamacheats said:
Then cotton(what an ironic name),
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What is ironic about my SN?

bamacheats said:
I'll let you have this one trevol.
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Since you like real life examples, let me share my perspective. I am personally familiar with the recruitment of about three dozen D1 basketball players. Around 5 were white. One player signed with a black coach. No player listed the race of a coach as a contributing factor to their decision of where to attend school.

I will go ahead and assume that possessing and posting such information is going to result in you calling me a derogatory name.
 
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cotton said:
Are you talking about one imaginary recruit?



What is ironic about my SN?



Since you like real life examples, let me share my perspective. I am personally familiar with the recruitment of about three dozen D1 basketball players. Around 5 were white. One player signed with a black coach. No player listed the race of a coach as a contributing factor to their decision of where to attend school.

I will go ahead and assume that possessing and posting such information is going to result in you calling me a derogatory name.
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Cool story. Not believable though.

So where's that "entire race" comment. You've thrown it around enough, its gotta be somewhere.
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bamacheats said:
Cool story. Not believable though.

So where's that "entire race" comment. You've thrown it around enough, its gotta be somewhere.
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I will happily provide names if you want to look foolish. There has to be something in it for me though. Care to propose a wager?

And again, are you asking about a single, imaginary recruit? If so, I am even less sure of what your point is supposed to have been.
 
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cotton said:
No player listed the race of a coach as a contributing factor to their decision of where to attend school.
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I don't doubt your information, but there are a lot of reasons why somebody chooses a school. Would you at least concede that playing for a coach with a similar background might be viewed as a positive by some?
 
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GAVol said:
I don't doubt your information, but surely you can see where it might be viewed as a positive by some as they make their decision?
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I'm sure it might. Kids make decisions for all kinds of reasons. But it seems pretty clear that the reason for this thread was to insinuate that a black coach would have an upper hand in recruiting because most good players are black, and on the whole, I just don't see any evidence for that. Anecdotes aside, there is much better indication that the race of the coach has no correlation to the quality of that coach's recruiting.
 
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cotton said:
I will happily provide names if you want to look foolish. There has to be something in it for me though. Care to propose a wager?

And again, are you asking about a single, imaginary recruit? If so, I am even less sure of what your point is supposed to have been.
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I don't really care about your involvement with a few dozen recruits. Start a thread about it if you want. FWIW, not a strong sample size for your argument.

So now you are dodging the "entire race" accusation and have gone to the other extreme and claim "one imaginary recruit"? What exactly is an "imaginary recruit"? Are they like the ones that your involved with?
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cotton said:
I'm sure it might. Kids make decisions for all kinds of reasons. But it seems pretty clear that the reason for this thread was to insinuate that a black coach would have an upper hand in recruiting because most good players are black, and on the whole, I just don't see any evidence for that. Anecdotes aside, there is much better indication that the race of the coach has no correlation to the quality of that coach's recruiting.
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Paul Hewitt disagrees.
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bamacheats said:
I don't really care about your involvement with a few dozen recruits. Start a thread about it if you want. FWIW, not a strong sample size for your argument.

So now you are dodging the "entire race" accusation and have gone to the other extreme and claim "one imaginary recruit"? What exactly is an "imaginary recruit"? Are they like the ones that your involved with?
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My sample size is a hell of a lot larger than your two guys who both signed with a white coach, and there isn't anything imaginary about it. I noticed that you didn't offer any wager.

Was your purpose in creating this thread to insinuate that Martin's race would help him in recruiting?
 
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cotton said:
My sample size is a hell of a lot larger than your two guys who both signed with a white coach, and there isn't anything imaginary about it. I noticed that you didn't offer any wager.

Was your purpose in creating this thread to insinuate that Martin's race would help him in recruiting?
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Both of "my two guys" were recruited and played for black position coaches. Both of my two guys said its part of black culture and could influence some and I believe them because, after all, they are black. You need to call in tomorrow and tell them that they are wrong because you're involved with some recruits.
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bamacheats said:
Both of "my two guys" were recruited and played for black position coaches. Both of my two guys said its part of black culture and could influence some and I believe them because, after all, they are black. You need to call in tomorrow and tell them that they are wrong because you're involved with some recruits.
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And my sample size is small?
 
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cotton said:
And my sample size is small?
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Call in tomorrow and tell Jayson that his opinion about his race is irrelevant because there's not enough of him to convince cotton. I'll be listening.
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UK thought the same thing with Tubby at one time. It does not matter to these kids what the color of your skin is. What matters is who is going to get you paid, and is he going to win. nothing more, nothing less.

End of story.

And please, UT fans, don't turn into the "we are winning the right way" fans that IU has taken upon itself. It's really really pathetic.

Not saying all of you but the OP had that over tone to his topic.
 
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Meeks54 said:
UK thought the same thing with Tubby at one time. It does not matter to these kids what the color of your skin is. What matters is who is going to get you paid, and is he going to win. nothing more, nothing less.

End of story.

And please, UT fans, don't turn into the "we are winning the right way" fans that IU has taken upon itself. It's really really pathetic.

Not saying all of you but the OP had that over tone to his topic.
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UK fans are a bunch of idiots. Tubby couldn't recruit to UK standards because he's not a cheater. Not a single player cares about Kentucky's "tradition", the only reason they attend is for the handout. The state is ugly, the girls are ugly, and the fans are trailer trash.
You know what you call a pretty chick in Kentucky? A philly.
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pl3 said:
Logic was lost and the thread turned because people went off on a tangent rather than reading and understanding. There are @ 55 historically black colleges and I'm guessing at least 400K students. Not one of them must have gone there due to their comfort level with their own race/culture, right? I'm officially done with this one. Like I said earlier, making a common sense point on here is like giving an elephant a tic-tac. It's useless.
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Mentioning ANYTHING at all in regards to a race (especially African American) will bring out the idiots who want to claim "Racism" at every turn.

I am not sure why some can't grasp the point the OP was trying to make.

Some Kids (and parents) may be inclined to attend a school where they feel more comfortable with the coach. In many cases the comfortability may be related to sharing a common background, including, but not limited to, their race.

Thats not racism. Thats a fact. You cannot bring Calipari into this argument, because a parent (myself included) would not be inclined to send their child under his wing because he would be a proper guiding force in their child's life. (See the rant on air against Terrence Jones). Players go to Cal because of the hand-out that everyone knows they get (except apparently for Cal) and he's a stepping stone to the NBA.

The OP was stating having a coach who fought his way through a less than perfect upbringing, worked his way through college, went to the NBA and now is coaching may pay dividends for a recruit (and the recruits parents) who is wavering between accepting a check from a Coach or playing for a man who has a proven record (although yet to be proven at Tenn) of know-how to becoming a successful leader and coach. The sad fact is that many (but not all) of these youths with less than perfect upbringings, including single-parenting, are African American. (That is not a statement encompassing the entire race).

That's not racism. Thats a valid point. People trying to claim its racists are the very ones who fuel the racial issues of today and keep them going.
 
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bamacheats said:
UK fans are a bunch of idiots.
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You should really be careful about calling other people idiots.

You have shifted your argument about 15 times. You have attacked post and poster alike, only to have to retreat and shift your argument again. Is it the head coach? Is it an assistant coach? Is it black recruits in general? Is it only Jayson Swain? Is 36 anecdotal? Is 2? Is 36 more than 2?

The reason you keep having to duck and dodge is because your argument isn't any good. The reason you have to call names and yell at your computer while threatening people with the wrath of wide receivers past is because you don't have a point. Do you even remember what it was supposed to be before you started calling everybody racists?
 
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cotton said:
You should really be careful about calling other people idiots.

You have shifted your argument about 15 times. You have attacked post and poster alike, only to have to retreat and shift your argument again. Is it the head coach? Is it an assistant coach? Is it black recruits in general? Is it only Jayson Swain? Is 36 anecdotal? Is 2? Is 36 more than 2?

The reason you keep having to duck and dodge is because your argument isn't any good. The reason you have to call names and yell at your computer while threatening people with the wrath of wide receivers past is because you don't have a point. Do you even remember what it was supposed to be before you started calling everybody racists?
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I underdstood his point from his first post. Its a valid, non-racist point.

Again - what is so hard about understanding it? (not directed only at you, but to everyone).

Jeez
 
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PandamoniumReigns said:
I underdstood his point from his first post. Its a valid, non-racist point.

Again - what is so hard about understanding it? (not directed only at you, but to everyone).

Jeez
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I think I understood his point in the beginning as well. He believes having a black head coach from a difficult background will help in recruiting black athletes from difficult backgrounds.

I think there is a lot of evidence that this isn't necessarily the case, which has also been presented in this thread. His point then became twisted and lost in his accusations of racism, confusion of assistants and head coaches, defense of Jayson Swain's honor, and general belligerence towards anyone who disagrees with him.
 
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