A Racist Take On Our New Coach

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Ravenheart said:
Come off of it. I don't know who on here is black and who is white unless they have pictures to prove it.

I think what I said about stereotypes has a great deal of relevance to what we're talking about here. Saying that Zo's race and his upbringing will bring in recruits and then forming a baseless correlation between single parents, rough neighborhoods and black kids is just as wrong as each of the aforementioned stereotypes. EXCEPT THAT'S NOT A STEREOTYPE WITH CCM, IT'S A FACT.


I think it is you who has backed himself into a corner by even starting this thread.
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bamacheats said:
His lead recruiter and position coach wad black. Nice try.

No one said he speaks for all blacks. But if you're stating otherwise you're calling him either a liar or ignorant, no way around that.
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You use him as an example of the things that are important to all blacks.

You use his as an example of how having a black head coach will help recruiting.

You do this despite the thousands of highly recruited black athletes who have chosen to play for a white head coach, including Swain.

Once again, it is not Swain that I think is ignorant.
 
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bamacheats said:
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:dry::glare:

If you think that Cuonzo is going to rely solely on his dark skin and his life story to get people to come to Tennessee, then you must be dreaming. You still don't seem to grasp that kids will be looking for other reasons to come here.

By the same token, if that is what Cuonzo is thinking, and let me emphasize IF, then he should just find another profession.
 
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I will say this again: a black coach can recruit players of all races just as well as a white coach can.
 
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cotton said:
You use him as an example of the things that are important to all blacks.
NO I DIDN'T. FIND THAT POST PLEASE.

You use his as an example of how having a black head coach will help recruiting.
JUST REPEATING WHAT HE SAID. YOU'RE THE ONE CALLING HIM A LIAR.

You do this despite the thousands of highly recruited black athletes who have chosen to play for a white head coach, including Swain.
WOW! IMAGINE THAT! ENOUGH BLACK ATHLETES SO THAT EVEN WHITE COACHES (who make up a disparagingly majority) CAN SIGN A FEW!

Once again, it is not Swain that I think is ignorant. THAN YOU'RE CALLING HIM A LIAR.
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Ravenheart said:
:dry::glare:

If you think that Cuonzo is going to rely solely on his dark skin and his life story to get people to come to Tennessee, then you must be dreaming. ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE COMPLETELY MAKING STUFF UP. FIND THAT POST PLEASE.

You still don't seem to grasp that kids will be looking for other reasons to come here. STILL MAKING STUFF UP. NO ONE HAS SAID RACE IS THE END ALL.

By the same token, if that is what Cuonzo is thinking, NOW YOU'RE MAKING UP STUFF FOR CCM. NICE!
and let me emphasize IF, GOOD THING YOU EMPHASIZED A LIE YOU JUST MADE UP.
then he should just find another profession.
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gainesvol82 said:
I see some misguided opinions in this thread but not much racisim. Racism can often be due to ignorance but people are way too quick to proclaim racisim if someone's has an ignorant opinion in regards to race.

I have yet to see anyone display hatred for another race in this thread....
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I don't see any hatred. But generalizations and cluelessness abound, and to me that is what makes up racism.
 
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easleychuck said:
It is about people. The majority of all people would listen, comprehend and generally agree with your statement(s).
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They don't have to agree with me, just be respectful when I or someone else disagrees with you.

As the old saying goes: "What we have here is failure to communicate. Some people, you just can't reach."
 
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bamacheats said:
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I almost missed this because of your obvious difficulty with the quote function, but I'll try to respond in a coherent fashion to your semi-coherent mutterings.

First, I may have misunderstood your use of the term "black athletes," in the dozen or so times you use it in this thread. I assumed you were referring to black athletes en masse, when apparently you were only referring to Fair and Swain. For clarity, you might consider going back and changing each post to make it clear that you were not supposing that two individuals were speaking for an entire race. I would suggest using their names or, instead, "two guys," such as in "two guys said playing for a black coach was a factor even though they played for a white coach."

Secondly, I have not called Swain a liar despite your repeated assertions that I have. I have said he played for a white head coach. I will stand by that, as I believe it to be true.

Finally, "disparagingly" does not mean what you think it means, and neither does "than."
 
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cotton said:
I almost missed this because of your obvious difficulty with the quote function, but I'll try to respond in a coherent fashion to your semi-coherent mutterings. SORRY TO DISAPPOINT ALL WISE ONE OF MESSAGE BOARDS. I'M MOBILE ON A SOON TO BE REPLACED HTC DROID, THE WORST PRODUCT TO BE MADE IN A LONG TIME.

First, I may have misunderstood your use of the term "black athletes," in the dozen or so times you use it in this thread. I assumed you were referring to black athletes en masse, when apparently you were only referring to Fair and Swain. For clarity, you might consider going back and changing each post to make it clear that you were not supposing that two individuals were speaking for an entire race. EASIER THING IS FOR YOU TO STRENGTHEN YOUR READING COMPREHENSION SKILLS. NOT A SINGLE POST HAS CLAIMED ANYTHING OF AN ENTIRE RACE. EVEN THOUGH YOU AND RAVEN EXHAUST THE CLAIM, IT STILL ISN'T TRUE.

I would suggest using their names or, instead, "two guys," such as in "two guys said playing for a black coach was a factor even though they played for a white coach." LEAD RECRUITER AND POSITION COACH WAS BLACK. SEMANTICS I GUESS.

Secondly, I have not called Swain a liar despite your repeated assertions that I have. USING YOUR BUDDY'S TERMINOLOGY, "YOU DIDN'T EXPLICITLY CALL HIM A LIAR," BUT REFUTING HIS STATEMENT AS CATEGORICALLY WRONG IS WHAT. LIAR OR IGNORANT ARE THE ONLY OPTIONS.

I have said he played for a white head coach. I will stand by that, as I believe it to be true.

Finally, "disparagingly" does not mean what you think it means, YES IT DOES. IF I MEANT DISPROPORTIONATE I WOULD HAVE SAID THAT. IT'S DISPARAGING BECAUSE BLACK COACHES HAVE GOTTEN PASSED OVER FOR RETREADS LIKE BUZZ PETERSON.
and neither does "than."
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bamacheats said:
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OK, to sum up:

YOU: A black head coach will help us recruit.

OTHERS: It doesn't seem to have helped other black coaches very much.

YOU: Jayson Swain said it was a factor.

ME: Swain played for Fulmer.

YOU: Everybody is an ignorant racist but me.

Does that pretty much catch us up?
 
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cotton said:
OK, to sum up:

YOU: A black head coach COULD help us WITH A recruit.

OTHERS: It doesn't seem to have helped other black coaches very much. DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU GOT THAT. HEWITT LANDED A LOT OF TALENT PRIMARILY BECAUSE HE IS BLACK, CERTAINLY NOT DUE TO HIS COACHING PROWESS.

YOU: Jayson Swain said it was a factor. CORRECT.

ME: Swain played for Fulmer. CORRECT. RECRUITED AND PLAYED FOR A BLACK COACH THOUGH. SPENT MORE TIME UNDER PAT THAN PHIL BY A LONG SHOT.

YOU: Everybody WHO REFUTES TESTIMONY OF BLACKS THAT IT'S POSSIBLE FOR A YOUNG BLACK MAN TO FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH AN OLDER BLACK MAN AS A FATHER FIGURE BECAUSE, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE MIDDLE CLASS WHITE, YOU'RE STILL THE EXPERT ON AFRO-AMERICAN CULTURE SO THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT,is an ignorant racist but me.

Does that pretty much catch us up? YES
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bamacheats said:
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Thanks. Plowing through those responses confirms several of my beliefs about you. You really should work on those quoting skills, though.

I can't wait to hear the full explanation for the term "a disparagingly majority."
 
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Lane Kiffin vs. Derek Dooley.

Both white. Both football coaches. Both grew up in wealthy homes in a football family. But Lane didn't fit here but Derek does. Derek is southern, one of us, he gets it, has the accent, is a gentleman, the anti-Lane. He fits because he shares the same type of culture as the majority of Tennessee fans.
While we will never have a large body of evidence to conclusively prove, I think its a basic understanding that Lane attracted a different type of player. A player who's sole focus was NFL and really could care less if the fans or university existed for any other reason. James Stone wasn't interested. He's a southerner, (and I know he's black and Dooley is white, but he also grew up middle class so the argument is the same) he is a good player who is proud to wear Orange because he related to the coach, a fellow southerner. Culture plays a part in recruiting and to argue otherwise is just braindead ignorant.
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cotton said:
Thanks. Plowing through those responses confirms several of my beliefs about you. You really should work on those quoting skills, though.
OK, I'LL GIVE IT A TRY. WHAT ABOUT MY QUOTING SKILLS DON'T YOU LIKE. THE PICKING YOU APART LINE BY LINE? OR THE FACT THAT YOU CAN'T MOUNT A LOGICAL DEBATE? YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO MAKING STUFF UP AND EXCUSE IT BY STATING OTHERS HAVE TO EDIT THEIR POSTS SO THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THEM?
I can't wait to hear the full explanation for the term "a disparagingly majority."ALREADY STATED IT. YOUR INADEQUATE VOCABULARY IS NOT MY PROBLEM.
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bamacheats said:
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Do you have some sort of disability? I ask because you are being very defensive and very rude, but you seem to have very little understanding of what you are saying.

Your posts are hard to read because you put your words in the quote box with the original words. That is difficult to distinguish, but on top of that, they often don't seem to apply to the words to which they are most proximate. It is confusing.

To disparage means to belittle. Disparagingly is an adverb derived from that word. Adverbs can modify verbs, adjectives, or other adverbs. Majority is a noun. "White coaches (who make up a disparagingly majority)" does not make any sense.
 
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cotton said:
Do you have some sort of disability? I ask because you are being very defensive and very rude, but you seem to have very little understanding of what you are saying.

Your posts are hard to read because you put your words in the quote box with the original words. That is difficult to distinguish, but on top of that, they often don't seem to apply to the words to which they are most proximate. It is confusing.

To disparage means to belittle. Disparagingly is an adverb derived from that word. Adverbs can modify verbs, adjectives, or other adverbs. Majority is a noun. "White coaches (who make up a disparagingly majority)" does not make any sense.
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Is this better? Sorry that I offended you with "disparagingly majority". I don't always catch my spell check when it modifies a word I typed. Another bummer with this Droid garbage.

Anyway, arguing grammar is a nice deflection, but I'm still waiting for that post that addresses black athletes or VN members that agree with me. You need to set them straight since you're the beacon of Afro-American culture.
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bamacheats said:
Is this better? Sorry that I offended you with "disparagingly majority". I don't always catch my spell check when it modifies a word I typed. Another bummer with this Droid garbage.

Anyway, arguing grammar is a nice deflection, but I'm still waiting for that post that addresses black athletes or VN members that agree with me. You need to set them straight since you're the beacon of Afro-American culture.
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Yes, it is better. I was not arguing grammar. I was trying to figure out your intended meaning when words were strung together that did not go together. I still don't know, BTW.

I also don't recall claiming to be a beacon of anything. Is that what you understood when I asserted that Swain played for a white coach?
 
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droski said:
ed O clearly a lousy recruiter because he is white.
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Nice example here. Marlon Brown is the type of player I'm talking about. Needs someone to be a father figure away from home. They tell Ed O to go off himself and jump on board with Rodney Garner.
But of course Garner's race and upbringing is just a mad coincidence.
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Address this post. Grizz is an African American and one of the best posters on the entire board. Tell him this experience is nonsense because race doesn't matter.

Coach Grizz said:
Yes I'm just a lowly volunteer assistant but I understand where you are coming from. Let me share this story with you. A few years back we had a young man on our team that was adopted by a white family and the foster father came to our head coach (who is also African American) and sat down man to man and asked coach to help out by taking him under his wing because there are somethings as being a white male he can't teach him or talk to him about that coach could from a culttural standpoint. And coach agreed and was more than happy to take on
that role. Now is that racist? Some people make a mountain out of a mole hill.
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