A strong FSU and 4 team playoff hurts UF

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lawgator1 said:
As a Gator fan I'm not worried about Miami as a recruiting rival. Their "success" is too erratic. I worry more about Texas taking top Miami talent from us because of Charlie Strong.

FSU is a problem for us and it's coming at the worst time in that, with our ineptitude on offense, the changes at OC, and the emphasis on rock star defense, the 6'5" receivers are not committing. If we can show signs of offensive life we'll be ok. If not, it could be a few years to get back on track.
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+1 I will say there are many reasons that UF will hurt, but you can say the same.about UT:
SC recent strength
Vandy recent growth
Mizzu addition.

Which the last 2 years UT is 1-5 against.
 
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UTodd01 said:
I don't think you realize how far they are behind the rest of the SEC in facilities. We're talking Vanderbilt (a private school) type stuff here.

I don't think they even have a long term plan in place yet either.

Two losing seasons in a row with those yucky facilities and it's panic time in Gainesville.

EDIT: Vanderbilt just opened a new indoor facility. It's even worse than I thought.
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You're under the assumption that UF will have another losing season. All I am saying is, don't bet on it. When was the last time they had back to back losing seasons? Bama and Auburn have been behind us as far as facilities are concerned and they still out recruit us.
 
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Other_Guy said:
+1 I will say there are many reasons that UF will hurt, but you can say the same.about UT:
SC recent strength
Vandy recent growth
Mizzu addition.

Which the last 2 years UT is 1-5 against.
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After 2015 the only team on that list that will give UT a problem again is SC.

It all starts with recruiting, and Mizzou and Vandy are falling behind the Vols with each class.
 
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PimpVol said:
SEC Title game appearances are based on won/loss records, and not individual game results.


If Florida isn't the best team in their state and they're not the best team in the East, then they look to have nowhere to go but down. Looking forward to it.
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OP stated that we had never gotten in without going though UF. I'm paying attention...now you try it.
 
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I would like to see UT beat before announcing the Great Gator Demise of 2014. Secondly, if Muschamp is fired (which I doubt), Florida will make an effort to hire a top tier coach. Plenty of great coaches would love to go there.
 
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gunner said:
After 2015 the only team on that list that will give UT a problem again is SC.

It all starts with recruiting, and Mizzou and Vandy are falling behind the Vols with each class.
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Yes and Spurrier is 69...We will see what they do for a replacement but it's hard to imagine them not taking a step back and let's face it - even since Tennessee's decline began in 2005 that series has just barely been in their favor (5-4).
 
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UF football facilities falling behind??? They built a new football facility in 08. Let's not make assumptions about their facilities based on smelly bathrooms on game day.

Their recruiting is behind because of the coaching uncertainty. Once that is resolved, they'll be a force again.
 
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OldandStillaVol said:
UF football facilities falling behind??? They built a new football facility in 08. Let's not make assumptions about their facilities based on smelly bathrooms on game day.

Their recruiting is behind because of the coaching uncertainty. Once that is resolved, they'll be a force again.
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Florida doesn't have an indoor practice facility. It doesn't look like there are plans for one either although I doubt that has cost them anything in recruiting.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Florida doesn't have an indoor practice facility. It doesn't look like there are plans for one either although I doubt that has cost them anything in recruiting.
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Florida State has a very nice indoor practice facility. I am sure UF wants to build one, but since Meyer left the Bull Gators have been much less bullish regarding their contributions to the program.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Florida doesn't have an indoor practice facility. It doesn't look like there are plans for one either although I doubt that has cost them anything in recruiting.
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I don't know how much facilities matter. When Pete Carroll was rolling at USC they had facilities on par with most Mountain West schools.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Florida doesn't have an indoor practice facility. It doesn't look like there are plans for one either although I doubt that has cost them anything in recruiting.
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I don't think you need one in Florida. Weather from fall through spring is ideal for outdoor practice. The number of D1 caliber high school football players in the I-4 corridor alone is ridiculous so UF will always be competitive but players have to believe the coaching staff can get them to the NFL.
 
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UTodd01 said:
The OP isn't far off.

And if you think a class currently ranked 30th has any chance whatsoever of finishing in the top 5 - I seriously question your intelligence.

The Gators are falling way behind the rest of the SEC in facilities which is further hurting their recruiting. "The Swamp" is a trash heap. I'm not sure when their last renovation was but it looks like it may have been in the 70's. Last time I was in Gainesville in '11 the concession and restroom areas had a mold/moth ball smell.

No indoor practice facility, crappy locker rooms, etc, etc.

Bad on the field performance coupled with lack of SEC caliber facilities are hurting them.
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The OP is much better at trolling in the Politics forum.

The Swamp went through a major concourse and restroom renovation prior to the 2012 season. Locker rooms and weight room were renovated in either '08 or '09.

As bad as you suggest BHG was, it was no worse than the narrow walkways and antiquated bowels of Neyland.

How long does it take fans sitting in Neyland's north end zone to leave the stadium and clear the Alumni Memorial Building these days?

I also take it you've never seen FSU or Miami's facilities.

As for the state of our football program, we survived Zook and we wil survive Muschamp. If our offense shows a pulse under Roper, UF will pull a Top 10 class. If not, Muschamp is gone, which you could easily argue is addition by subtraction.
 
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The Ron Mexico said:
lol
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Was just about to comment on that...might as well and go ahead

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OldandStillaVol said:
I don't think you need one in Florida. Weather from fall through spring is ideal for outdoor practice. The number of D1 caliber high school football players in the I-4 corridor alone is ridiculous so UF will always be competitive but players have to believe the coaching staff can get them to the NFL.
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That's the problem right now. If you are a WR you see a team with a QB who can't throw, behind a porous offensive line, coached by a guy who wants to keep the score in the teens.

You may like UF, and it may be close to home. But other schools are going to seem better able to promote you.
 
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Boston Vol said:
I don't know how much facilities matter. When Pete Carroll was rolling at USC they had facilities on par with most Mountain West schools.
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If facilities mattered that much, Miami would be in search of their sixth bowl win instead of its sixth national championship.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
The OP is much better at trolling in the Politics forum.

The Swamp went through a major concourse and restroom renovation prior to the 2012 season. Locker rooms and weight room were renovated in either '08 or '09.

As bad as you suggest BHG was, it was no worse than the narrow walkways and antiquated bowels of Neyland.

How long does it take fans sitting in Neyland's north end zone to leave the stadium and clear the Alumni Memorial Building these days?

I also take it you've never seen FSU or Miami's facilities.

As for the state of our football program, we survived Zook and we wil survive Muschamp. If our offense shows a pulse under Roper, UF will pull a Top 10 class. If not, Muschamp is gone, which you could easily argue is addition by subtraction.
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Obviously, you haven't been to Neyland Stadium in a few years with the exception of the East side the old concourses have been updated and are a world class facility. There are plans to renovate the East side too in the future. But, the north end zone that you are referring to has been recently renovated.

Tour of Neyland Stadium renovations | Video | wbir.com
 
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gunner said:
Obviously, you haven't been to Neyland Stadium in a few years with the exception of the East side the old concourses have been updated and are a world class facility. There are plans to renovate the East side too in the future. But, the north end zone that you are referring to has been recently renovated.

Tour of Neyland Stadium renovations | Video | wbir.com
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Fair enough, UT puts visiting fans on the east side of Neyland...either Section AA, the SE corner/south end zone upper deck, and the NE corner of the lower level near the north end zone.

My last trip to Neyland was 2010. But by your own admission there's still work left to be done on the east side.
 
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UTodd01 said:
The OP isn't far off.

And if you think a class currently ranked 30th has any chance whatsoever of finishing in the top 5 - I seriously question your intelligence.

The Gators are falling way behind the rest of the SEC in facilities which is further hurting their recruiting. "The Swamp" is a trash heap. I'm not sure when their last renovation was but it looks like it may have been in the 70's. Last time I was in Gainesville in '11 the concession and restroom areas had a mold/moth ball smell.

No indoor practice facility, crappy locker rooms, etc, etc.

Bad on the field performance coupled with lack of SEC caliber facilities are hurting them.
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You can question my intelligence but numbers don't lie. They only have ten current commits which means every high ranking commit from here on will be an exponential increase in their ranking. They have several five star guys that they lead for.

You are all fooling yourself if you think UF is going anywhere. Two years ago they won 11 games and if you put a gun to my head is bet they win more than us this year. HG or Lawrence Wright follow their recruiting closer than I do, but I can guarantee you what I am saying is correct. Either Muschamp wins 8 games or he is gone, simple as that. Don't forget, it's 9 straight against us. I hope they never win another game again, but they will be back and sooner than later
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Chavis is that you?
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Nope. Just unwilling to give Florida anything - especially on the scoreboard.

I was there - as well as Berkeley & Tuscaloosa - it was brutal.

The combined "feel" of those 3 losses had a lot to do with how things went down in 2008 - JMO.
 
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UTodd01 said:
I don't think you realize how far they are behind the rest of the SEC in facilities. We're talking Vanderbilt (a private school) type stuff here.

I don't think they even have a long term plan in place yet either.

Two losing seasons in a row with those yucky facilities and it's panic time in Gainesville.

EDIT: Vanderbilt just opened a new indoor facility. It's even worse than I thought.
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Your misguided opinion of UF's facilities is much worse than I thought also.
 
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I don't care for Florida as much as the next Tennessee fan, but something should be made clear of their position and what they are always capable of.

1. They are located in a state with an abundance of talent.

2. Location alone. Very attractive to recruits.

3. They are in the SEC and from the early/mid 90's to 2008, they were one of the top two teams within the conference (excluding the Zook era).

Given UF's current situation and for them to fall down to the basement where UT has been residing, it would take several coaching changes for starters. All of which would have to be either failures or a one and done situation while moving on to greener pastures. During all of this, if Florida was consistently beaten by it's rivals for several years and their recruiting classes didn't quite pan out, either by attrition or lack of quality, then it's very possible to see Florida fail and stay in the lower tier of the conference for quite some time.

Everyone should know that prior to 1990, UF football was basically a blip on the national scene. However, at the beginning of that year they hire the "right" man for the job and almost immediately had them competing for the SEC title and winning a total of 5 that decade, including 4 straight.

So simply put, I don't care for that team, their fan base and their obnoxious behavior...but I do respect what they've accomplished in a very short period of time under two excellent coaches.
 
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gunner said:
Have you seen Florida State's facilities lately? UF does NOT even have the best facilities in Florida.
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I must have missed where I said UF had the best football facilities in the state.

I could respond with a similar strawman and say UT currently isn't the best CFB team in Tennessee, but I'll stop short of sayi....dammit!
 
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