Aaaaaannnnndddddd ...he makes it worse

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BowlBrother85 said:
Republicans like to lean on this as a means of completely discrediting every conclusion which has been reached by the US intelligence community since 2003 but the fact is that not everyone believed Iraq had WMD's. Secretary of State Colin Powell didn't and begged Bush not to make such a passionate case for it during his 2003 State of the Union Address. Bush ignored him and went with the intel that he wanted to hear from George Tenet.
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Oh right, that’s his hindsight. Unfortunately even if that’s the case, Colin Powell himself went before the public at the UN and made the case for the war w Iraq based on their weapons program.
 
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golfballs said:
Oh right, that’s his hindsight. Unfortunately even if that’s the case, Colin Powell himself went before the public at the UN and made the case for the war w Iraq based on their weapons program.
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Powell told Bush not to use the intelligence on Yemen in his 2003 State of the Union Address. Bush ignored him. Bush cherry picked the intel.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Powell told Bush not to use the intelligence on Yemen in his 2003 State of the Union Address. Bush ignored him. Bush cherry picked the intel.
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Yet Powell went in front of everyone and said “There is no doubt in my mind” that Iraq had WMDs.

Sounds familiar
 
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golfballs said:
Yet Powell went in front of everyone and said “There is no doubt in my mind” that Iraq had WMDs.

Sounds familiar
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No one can understand for you how these situations are dissimilar any more than you'd be willing to accept the explanation.

Your continued reference to Bush's WMD's is a strawman argument.

If your boy trump thought the evidence wasn't credible, he'd be the absolute first to point it out. He isn't, even he has capitulated.
 
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Also, in his interview with Tucker Carlson last night, Trump showed a complete misunderstanding of how NATO works. Trump told Carlson that if another NATO member (Montenegro was used as an example for some reason) initiated the aggression that the United States would be obligated to provide them aid in their mission. That is obviously false. The purpose of NATO is that we each defend one another from an unprovoked attack. Nobody is ever obligated to assist with an act of aggression. Essentially, (with some help from the very ignorant Fox News host) Trump was undercutting NATO, once again, with a false narrative.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Also, in his interview with Tucker Carlson last night, Trump showed a complete misunderstanding of how NATO works. Trump told Carlson that if another NATO member (Montenegro was used as an example for some reason) initiated the aggression that the United States would be obligated to provide them aid in their mission. That is obviously false. The purpose of NATO is that we each defend one another from an unprovoked attack. Nobody is ever obligated to assist with an act of aggression. Essentially, (with some help from the very ignorant Fox News host) Trump was undercutting NATO, once again, with a false narrative.
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He was never a full time politician. I can forgive him for that and I highly doubt most Americans really care. Most Americans will care about this however where he is excelling.

All Time High Labor Participation Rate.
All Time High Black Employment.
All Time High Hispanic Employment.
All Time High Women Employment.
No more missile testing in North Korea.
Tax Cuts for me.
EPA restrictions cut.
Loading up Supreme Court with Great Judges.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Also, in his interview with Tucker Carlson last night, Trump showed a complete misunderstanding of how NATO works. Trump told Carlson that if another NATO member (Montenegro was used as an example for some reason) initiated the aggression that the United States would be obligated to provide them aid in their mission. That is obviously false. The purpose of NATO is that we each defend one another from an unprovoked attack. Nobody is ever obligated to assist with an act of aggression. Essentially, (with some help from the very ignorant Fox News host) Trump was undercutting NATO, once again, with a false narrative.
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Tucker would turn you into the next Erik Wemple mug and have Bret hand it too you.



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BigOrangeD said:
He was never a full time politician. I can forgive him for that and I highly doubt most Americans really care. Most Americans will care about this however where he is excelling.

All Time High Labor Participation Rate.
All Time High Black Employment.
All Time High Hispanic Employment.
All Time High Women Employment.
No more missile testing in North Korea.
Tax Cuts for me.
EPA restrictions cut.
Loading up Supreme Court with Great Judges.
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He has been the President of the United States now for a year and a half and he just left the NATO summit a few days ago. That type of ignorance at this stage of his Presidency and just following a summit meeting with NATO members is inexcusable. I think more Americans care about this sort of unbridled ignorance than one of his unconditional supporters would want to believe.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
He has been the President of the United States now for a year and a half and he just left the NATO summit a few days ago. That type of ignorance at this stage of his Presidency and just following a summit meeting with NATO members is inexcusable. I think more Americans care about this sort of unbridled ignorance than one of his unconditional supporters would want to believe.
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No I don't think so. I think most DEMs believe what CNN or MSNBC tells them to believe.

You must remember that the DEMs were A OK with Big Mother Russia before Trump came along.

Now it's just strictly politics.
 
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BigOrangeD said:
No I don't think so. I think most DEMs believe what CNN or MSNBC tells them to believe.

You must remember that the DEMs were A OK with Big Mother Russia before Trump came along.

Now it's just strictly politics.
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Trump just attended a NATO summit... and yet, he is in ignorance of NATO's purpose. End/
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Trump just attended a NATO summit... and yet, he is in ignorance of NATO's purpose. End/
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No, I'm sure he understands NATO. He may not have every detail down. My guess is neither did Obama at the same point in his presidency. Much of being President is learning on the job. Nobody can go in and know it all. That's what advisers are for. Maybe he did not get best advice. Who knows. In the Big Scheme of things this a small ripple. The DEMs will be on to something else to squawk about in a few weeks.

DEMs did not even care about the Uranium One deal that provided Uranium to the Evil Dictator. They were like "yawn."
 
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BigOrangeD said:
No, I'm sure he understands NATO. He may not have every detail down. My guess is neither did Obama at the same point in his presidency. Much of being President is learning on the job. Nobody can go in and know it all. That's what advisers are for. Maybe he did not get best advice. Who knows. In the Big Scheme of things this a small ripple. The DEMs will be on to something else to squawk about in a few weeks.

DEMs did not even care are the Uranium One deal that provided Uranium to the Evil Dictator. They were like "yawn."
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:eek:lol:

...to every damn bit of this!
 
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BigOrangeD said:
He was never a full time politician. I can forgive him for that and I highly doubt most Americans really care. Most Americans will care about this however where he is excelling.

All Time High Labor Participation Rate. Bullsh!t
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All Time High Black Employment. True.


All Time High Hispanic Employment. True



All Time High Women Employment. Another lie. It has been better most recently in 2000.


No more missile testing in North Korea. Says who? Kim is still building nukes.

Tax Cuts for me. An ill advised tax cut that will add tremendously to the debt.

EPA restrictions cut. Mixed bag here. Some good some not good.

Loading up Supreme Court with Great Judges. Again just a matter of preference. The future will tell how good his picks are
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He is also setting records in regards to the national debt.

The economy is good. The unemployment numbers are good. Trump deserves some of the credit for the economy right now, but some has to go to Obama's administration as well. The numbers are following the same upward trajectory they were under Obama.
 
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BigOrangeD said:
No I don't think so. I think most DEMs believe what CNN or MSNBC tells them to believe.

You must remember that the DEMs were A OK with Big Mother Russia before Trump came along.

Now it's just strictly politics.
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Yes and the conservatives were against Obama speaking to any enemy.

Both sides have it dead wrong. Keeping an open dialogue with your "enemies" reduces the likelihood of war. This is partisan hackery at its best
 
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Septic said:
No one can understand for you how these situations are dissimilar any more than you'd be willing to accept the explanation.

Your continued reference to Bush's WMD's is a strawman argument.

If your boy trump thought the evidence wasn't credible, he'd be the absolute first to point it out. He isn't, even he has capitulated.
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Intelligence agency assessments are not a substitute for proof. Especially as they have proven to be horribly wrong in the past. Based on the apparent gravity this issue has with the public, they should provide the proof.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
He is also setting records in regards to the national debt.

The economy is good. The unemployment numbers are good. Trump deserves some of the credit for the economy right now, but some has to go to Obama's administration as well. The numbers are following the same upward trajectory they were under Obama.
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The only thing is the economy was slowly improving in spite of Obama. Obama did nothing to improve it.

He over regulated and put through OCare that was a drag on the Economy unless you were in the insurance and medical industry.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Yes and the conservatives were against Obama speaking to any enemy.

Both sides have it dead wrong. Keeping an open dialogue with your "enemies" reduces the likelihood of war. This is partisan hackery at its best
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The only difference is it was really hard for conservatives to trust Obama with people like Brennan on his team and the fact that Obama came across as in favor of Muslim's more the Christians. I believe this is also still the DEMs position.
 
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