Abortion debate (split from bball forum)

#151
#151
utvolpj said:
why would I disagree when the woman made no choice?

and your God "murders" more kids than all the doctors combined. It's not a fact you may like but it happens
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God has killed many, many people the difference is he will raise them back up at the end. God created evil for his own purpose.
 
#157
#157
therealUT said:
What is screwed up about Cocaine? You seem to be an expert.
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The use, abuse or manipulation of something by a person doesn't mean that's what it was intended for.

I can take my finger and jam it in your eye and blind you and that is a "screwed" up thing to do but it doesn't mean that's what the finger was intended to be used for or make the finger "bad".
 
#159
#159
therealUT said:
If god is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent, then is death a bad thing?

If death is not a bad thing, then why is abortion inherently wrong?

To approach this issue from the religious angle, is to approach it with the baggage of a lot of unanswerable metaphysical and theological questions.



This, by the way, is the argument that prompted Augustine to declare that "evil" is non-existent.
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Epicurus is my boy.
 
#160
#160
bamasucks76 said:
And baseball bats.....both have a proper use!
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Might could use baseball bats as kindling to burn the bible, right?

I'd snort some coke, sit back, and enjoy myself while some evangelists worked to put that fire out and salvage the books.
 
#161
#161
bamasucks76 said:
Elaborate please! With all due respect!

How did this happen, when and prove it. What "lifetime" happens after this one...why, when, prove it. Since you require this of us.

Ours does require faith, but we do have Jesus, the Bible, etc. What do you have?
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What a spectacularly flawed argument.
 
#162
#162
JZVOL said:
The use, abuse or manipulation of something by a person doesn't mean that's what it was intended for.

I can take my finger and jam it in your eye and blind you and that is a "screwed" up thing to do but it doesn't mean that's what the finger was intended to be used for or make the finger "bad".
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So, when somebody snorts cocaine, they are directly causing physical pain to someone else?

Good to know.

Thanks for the implicit threat...how very Christian of you.
 
#165
#165
therealUT said:
So, when somebody snorts cocaine, they are directly causing physical pain to someone else?

Good to know.

Thanks for the implicit threat...how very Christian of you.
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You've never seen the toll a person on drugs takes on the family members?

I've seen my uncle die in prison alone in his cell from a heart attack and yea it did a lot of harm to others.
 
#166
#166
ToineMac said:
Abortion is a touchy subject. I don't like the idea of killing babies. But i don't want the government legislating morality on people when lots of the are themselves immoral. I can't imagine telling a rape or incest victim to carry and deliver a constant reminder of their ordeal. And i feel terrible for parents who have to make the choice of bringing in a child that will have some abnormality or the pregnancy itself could threaten the mothers life. Abortions just because we didn't use a condom or use birth control is just wrong. Why should the baby lose its life because the parents weren't responsible.
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Good post.
 
#167
#167
and just to be clear I think abortion is a terrible practice that the vast majority of humans should never even consider using. However I don't want to force my belief on anyone so I allow each to use their own free will. If God is watching and views it as a sin then people will be punished accordingly right? Good enough for me
 
#170
#170
JZVOL said:
You've never seen the toll a person on drugs takes on the family members?

I've seen my uncle die in prison alone in his cell from a heart attack and yea it did a lot of harm to others.
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If that's bad, you should see the toll that religion takes on family members.

I've known kids that grew up scarred for life, always afraid of some mythical, lightning spewing old guy in the clouds who likes to raze villages wholesale simple because a handful of homosexuals live there; these kids are terrified to step into NYC, as they surely don't want to be there when that modern day Gommorah is at the short end of the "wrath of god" stick.
 
#171
#171
utvolpj said:
and just to be clear I think abortion is a terrible practice that the vast majority of humans should never even consider using. However I don't want to force my belief on anyone so I allow each to use their own free will. If God is watching and views it as a sin then people will be punished accordingly right? Good enough for me
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solid post
 
#173
#173
therealUT said:
If that's bad, you should see the toll that religion takes on family members.

I've known kids that grew up scarred for life, always afraid of some mythical, lightning spewing old guy in the clouds who likes to raze villages wholesale simple because a handful of homosexuals live there; these kids are terrified to step into NYC, as they surely don't want to be there when that modern day Gommorah is at the short end of the "wrath of god" stick.
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I'm a Christian and love NYC... again people using something to manipulate others, it's a terrible thing.

I'm glad I've never experienced that although I have seen my pastor and youth pastor cheat on their wives.

Those were great experiences to go through.
 
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