Abortion Rights

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#278
PKT_VOL said:
Would a brain-dead individual with a heartbeat constitute as life?
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BigO95 said:
Isa 7:14, Mt 1:18-25 KJV look how it's worded, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. 😁
Lk 1:26-56 is another good read
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Interesting choice of scripture. None address that life begins at conception.

In fact, the wording of the Isa and Mt verses suggest conception and bearing of child as separate events.

It is worded as "conceive AND bear child"...not "conceive a child".
 
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hog88 said:
Very good question. Medically, hell I don't know. Personally I'm in the camp that if you're breathing you have a chance.
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Medically the chance is zero if it is permanent vegetative state.

This is why I think the camps on both extremes are wrong. There is no person or life or anything at conception other than a clump of cells that may or may not produce a human. Similarly, there is clearly a human life during late term and abortion absolutely is murder.
 
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rjd970 said:
Interesting choice of scripture. None address that life begins at conception.

In fact, the wording of the Isa and Mt verses suggest conception and bearing of child as separate events.

It is worded as "conceive AND bear child"...not "conceive a child".
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And what must happen to Bear a child it first must be conceived.
 
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rjd970 said:
Interesting choice of scripture. None address that life begins at conception.

In fact, the wording of the Isa and Mt verses suggest conception and bearing of child as separate events.

It is worded as "conceive AND bear child"...not "conceive a child".
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So then, if Mary had an abortion 1 hour after conception would Jesus have been born? The implication is plain, she conceived the Child Jesus by the Holy Ghost.
 
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LouderVol said:
I miss the humor that was here not so long ago. people get too serious about this stuff and no real discussion happens.
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Honestly, what's mostly changed is the power shifted. It was all fun and games when the D's were on defense. R's/libertarians on this board were having a blast on the attack. Now D's/libertarians are on the attack, and there just aren't that many of us all having the fun. In politics, defense is exhausting for obvious reasons.
 
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rjd970 said:
Medically the chance is zero if it is permanent vegetative state.

This is why I think the camps on both extremes are wrong. There is no person or life or anything at conception other than a clump of cells that may or may not produce a human. Similarly, there is clearly a human life during late term and abortion absolutely is murder.
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Not arguing the abortion part of your post we have similar views. But as far as being in a vegetative state, there are medical breakthroughs all the time if your breathing you have a chance. The minute you stop breathing it's over.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Bible doesn't cover voting there, Joel Osteen.

Passing judgment on who goes to hell and who doesn't is a big no-no. I might be more Christlike than you at this rate.
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Nobody is passing judgement on who goes to hell. That's for God alone. However Matthew 7:16 tells us that we will know them by their fruit. So man doesn't make the judgement, but believers are certainly capable of discerning.
 
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BigO95 said:
So then, if Mary had an abortion 1 hour after conception would Jesus have been born? The implication is plain, she conceived the Child Jesus by the Holy Ghost.
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If anybody has an abortion 1 hour after conceiving we don’t know if a baby would have resulted. Pregnancies end by natural biological means all the the time.

Conceive AND bear a child. Conception doesn’t guarantee a live birth. That is my contention, conception doesn’t automatically mean life. It’s the first step in a nine month process.

Even the Bible agrees!
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
Nobody is passing judgement on who goes to hell. That's for God alone. However Matthew 7:16 tells us that we will know them by their fruit. So man doesn't make the judgement, but believers are certainly capable of discerning.
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Cool so we'll address my post but we won't say anything about the guy who effectively stated that anyone who votes Democrat is going to hell.
 
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1972 Grad said:
When do you get to see your mother?
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Should get a update from my sister at 8am tomorrow.

Depending on that, I’ll make a decision then on my travel plans.

Moms had a tough life. Picked cotton, raised 3 kids after the divorce.

We never asked or wanted for anything. I can remember her coming home and cooking dinner and her hands hurt so bad from working all day, but we ate. (She worked in a factory back then).

Hell, she ordered our clothes from sears and Roebuck.

God, I don’t know if there has ever been a woman as good as her...
 
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Obsessed said:
Should get a update from my sister at 8am tomorrow.

Depending on that, I’ll make a decision then on my travel plans.

Moms had a tough life. Picked cotton, raised 3 kids after the divorce.

We never asked or wanted for anything. I can remember her coming home and cooking dinner and her hands hurt so bad from working all day, but we ate. (She worked in a factory back then).

Hell, she ordered our clothes from sears and Roebuck.

God, I don’t know if there has ever been a woman as good as her...
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You had tough skin jeans too?..... sorry to hear about your mom .... I guess there are a lot of getting to the same stage of life ... sucks
 
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Obsessed said:
Should get a update from my sister at 8am tomorrow.

Depending on that, I’ll make a decision then on my travel plans.

Moms had a tough life. Picked cotton, raised 3 kids after the divorce.

We never asked or wanted for anything. I can remember her coming home and cooking dinner and her hands hurt so bad from working all day, but we ate. (She worked in a factory back then).

Hell, she ordered our clothes from sears and Roebuck.

God, I don’t know if there has ever been a woman as good as her...
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Hold her tight. I lost mine 10 years ago today the 31st. I miss her every day. Sounds like we both had good moms.
 
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rjd970 said:
If anybody has an abortion 1 hour after conceiving we don’t know if a baby would have resulted. Pregnancies end by natural biological means all the the time.

Conceive AND bear a child. Conception doesn’t guarantee a live birth. That is my contention, conception doesn’t automatically mean life. It’s the first step in a nine month process.

Even the Bible agrees!
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Miscarrages happen with many pregnancies, that doesn't mean the baby wasn't alive. It was just at an earlier stage of life! The verses I provived are sufficient to prove the point scripturally, either that or you dont have a clear understanding of the doctrine of the virgin birth of Christ. :hi:
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Cool so we'll address my post but we won't say anything about the guy who effectively stated that anyone who votes Democrat is going to hell.
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I'm sure that there will be a few good democrats in heaven. :hi:

Only saved ones of coarse!
1 John 3:14-15 (KJV)
14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
 
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Dinka, I mean you no harm. I want to see you in heaven some day. I simply care about you enough to tell you the truth. The only way you can get heaven is through the Lord Jesus Christ. To receive him, you must repent. Luke Chapter 13 Verse 3, 1st Peter chapter 3 verse 9. What you believe matters seeing
you must come by faith to accept Jesus Christ.
I hate to break the news to you but everyone doesn't get to go to heaven. Only the saved those that truly follow Christ.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Honestly, what's mostly changed is the power shifted. It was all fun and games when the D's were on defense. R's/libertarians on this board were having a blast on the attack. Now D's/libertarians are on the attack, and there just aren't that many of us all having the fun. In politics, defense is exhausting for obvious reasons.
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I don't think its that so much. Thats probably part of it but I think there is more. I think the polarization has gotten even worse.

In the same thread I have been called a Trump nut hugger for not buying the Russia story without any evidence, and also a liberal hack for offering any type of negative view on Trump.
 
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