Abortion Rights

[therealUT]

So an adult cheating on another adult is far worse than the death of small child? Good freaking grief.

You're assuming that a fetus is a person. Not everyone shares that assumption.

 

[CABVOL]

You're assuming that a fetus is a person. Not everyone shares that assumption.

When does an unborn child become a person? At birth? When he/she can survive outside the womb? When there’s a heartbeat? At conception?

 

[NorthDallas40]

You're assuming that a fetus is a person. Not everyone shares that assumption.

TRUT if the fetus is viable it represents human life. Not trying to debate rights or anything like that just that it is a fetus of our own species.

Man’s lack of acknowledgement of their offspring and viability of that offspring as compared to the “lower species” on the evolutionary chain has made me ponder a few wtf’s over the years.

 

[therealUT]

When does an unborn child become a person? At birth? When he/she can survive outside the womb? When there’s a heartbeat? At conception?

I don't think infants or toddlers have personhood.

 

[therealUT]

TRUT if the fetus is viable it represents human life. Not trying to debate rights or anything like that just that it is a fetus of our own species.

Man’s lack of acknowledgement of their offspring and viability of that offspring as compared to the “lower species” on the evolutionary chain has made me ponder a few wtf’s over the years.

I don't equate human being with person.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I don't equate human being with person.

I never said “person” in my post. I merely said “human life” and “offspring”. Pure genetics and biology.

Person comes with a lot more intangibles than human life.

 

[therealUT]

I never said “person” in my post. I merely said “human life” and “offspring”. Pure genetics and biology.

I know, but I don't share your assumption that human life, qua DNA and biology, is special. I think personhood is special. I'm not sure when personhood begins and when it's fully developed. But, I don't think it occurs in a fetus.

 

[CABVOL]

I don't think infants or toddlers have personhood.

What do you classify them as?

 

[therealUT]

What do you classify them as?

Human beings that lack personhood.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I know, but I don't share your assumption that human life, qua DNA and biology, is special. I think personhood is special. I'm not sure when personhood begins and when it's fully developed. But, I don't think it occurs in a fetus.

Fair enough. Just from a basis of biology I do put value on a fetus. It’s the same “animal” that I am and I identify with that. For me it’s that simple. I don’t even consider rights or any of the rest of it.

But that’s my opinion. We just disagree. And that’s perfectly fine. This is, for good reason, a passionate topic.

 

[CABVOL]

Human beings that lack personhood.

At what point does the unborn become a human being?

 

[therealUT]

Fair enough. Just from a basis of biology I do put value on a fetus. It’s the same “animal” that I and I identify with that. For me it’s that simple. I don’t even consider rights or any of the rest of it.

But that’s my opinion. We just disagree. And that’s perfectly fine. This is, for good reason, a passionate topic.

I think reasonable people can disagree about this. But, that being the case, shouldn't you then be pro- choice?

 

[hog88]

Human beings that lack personhood.

What do you define as personhood?

 

[therealUT]

At what point does the unborn become a human being?

Human being or person?

 

[therealUT]

What do you define as personhood?

Abstract rational thought combined with sentiment.

 

[CABVOL]

Human being or person?

I’m admittedly curious as to when you believe both are achieved.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I think reasonable people can disagree about this. But, that being the case, shouldn't you then be pro- choice?

I am. I was gonna get around to that. In my home as a matter of legislation our family is “pro choice”. BUT to us, our family, that choice is a heavy decision. We identify with the fetus. Again, no rights, no self aware none of that. It’s one of us. For ourselves we are “pro life” as a personal decision.

But we recognize our rights are just that ours. And we try to respect the rights of other individual’s especially on such a topic as this.

I respect another woman’s choice with regard to her own health and the fetus within her. I just sincerely ask they recognize the fetus represents human life and to please put value on it when making the decision, that’s all.

I do not believe there will ever be definitive one solution to cover all instances of abortion. I just wish the fetus was valued and had advocacy in the ultimate decision is all.

 

[hog88]

Abstract rational thought combined with sentiment.

So more than 1/2 the population isn't a person.

 

[therealUT]

I’m admittedly curious as to when you believe both are achieved.

Human being? Either sometime early in the pregnancy or at the moment of birth.

Personhood? Maybe around four or five?

 

[therealUT]

I am. I was gonna get around to that. In my home as a matter of legislation our family is “pro choice”. BUT to us, our family, that choice is a heavy decision. We identify with the fetus. Again, no rights, no self aware none of that. It’s one of us. For ourselves we are “pro life” as a personal decision.

But we recognize our rights are just that ours. And we try to respect the rights of other individual’s especially on such a topic as this.

I respect another woman’s choice with regard to her own health and the fetus within her. I just sincerely ask they recognize the fetus represents human life and to please put value on it when making the decision, that’s all.

I do not believe there will ever be definitive one solution to cover all instances of abortion. I just wish the fetus was valued and had advocacy in the ultimate decision is all.

I think it should be a heavy decision.

 

[luthervol]

So an adult cheating on another adult is far worse than the death of small child? Good freaking grief.

Not at all. The death of a small child would be much worse. I said abortion.

 

[CABVOL]

Human being? Either sometime early in the pregnancy or at the moment of birth.

Personhood? Maybe around four or five?

Should human beings and persons have equal rights?

 

[luthervol]

I left it alone. That has to be a shock value post and wasn’t worth responding to. If he really does believe that there’s nothing really worth saying to him.

But if TRUT says it, it's deep and worthy of discussion. Go figure.

 

[apevol]

But if TRUT says it, it's deep and worthy of discussion. Go figure.

He's in possession of a significantly more agile mind than the vast majority of lunatics that most vn members encounter.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

You're assuming that a fetus is a person. Not everyone shares that assumption.

Then those that dont share have a lack of understand of human biology and physiology and are wrong.