Abortion

[NEO]

No, you cannot steal if you are starving.

If you say that life begins at fertilization how are you okay with the morning-after pill?
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within 7 days of fertilization.

I personally don't know if its a the second it happens or a week down the road.

Nobody knows honestly.

But I doubt it is the morning after.

 

[utvolpj]

Wrong. There is a huge waiting list to adopt. My good friend just adopted a 8yr old girl. They have been waiting years. Would have been longer if they waited on a newborn.
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but it's not because children aren't available. Do you think people go overseas to adopt because there aren't kids in the US?

 

[bamawriter]

there are already too many not being adopted right now

And I would be all for making adoption easier. It is way too complicated in this country.

 

[KiffinKiller]

but it's not because children aren't available. Do you think people go overseas to adopt because there aren't kids in the US?

this. My friends in Charleston adopted from China.

 

[therealUT]

within 7 days of fertilization.

I personally don't know if its a the second it happens or a week down the road.

Nobody knows honestly.

But I doubt it is the morning after.

So, life starts within a week of fertilization now? You are absurd. At least try to stand on a principle.
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[NEO]

Shouldn't it be easier in black and white?

Who's odd man out in this thread?

me or you???

black and white is never easy.

 

[bamawriter]

Ok, but that's a catastrophe, not an accident. This analogy is taking on a life of its own. I would say that's more comparable to the sexual consequence of contracting aids, not pregnancy.

So pregnancy is not as big of a deal as AIDS?

 

[KiffinKiller]

And I would be all for making adoption easier. It is way too complicated in this country.

ya. it is too hard - but they do have to make it at least a little difficult...so our crazies aren't adopting a workforce or pinatas

 

[KiffinKiller]

Who's odd man out in this thread?

me or you???

black and white is never easy.

...it's simpler.

 

[utvolpj]

ya. it is too hard - but they do have to make it at least a little difficult...so our crazies aren't adopting a workforce or pinatas

why adopt them when you can just have them naturally? The difference in the 2 is pretty stupid

 

[DrunkJohnny]

Doesn't the government pay foster parents? Imagine with a small govt, without foster parents, how many kids would be in the streets.

 

[NEO]

So, life starts within a week of fertilization now? You are absurd. At least try to stand on a principle.
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wow.

You are really said that about ME?

at fertilization within a week.

i can't pinpoint that day TRUT.

but i'm going a hell of a lot further back than anyone else on here is.

 

[KiffinKiller]

why adopt them when you can just have them naturally? The difference in the 2 is pretty stupid

yep. I don't know what the answer is.

 

[bamawriter]

ya. it is too hard - but they do have to make it at least a little difficult...so our crazies aren't adopting a workforce or pinatas

Agreed. I'm for making it as difficult as reading "War and Peace", rather than memorizing the dictionary like it is now.

 

[NEO]

i get the feeling this thread hits home to PJ for some reason.

what family member of yours killed their baby?

 

[KiffinKiller]

wow.

You are really said that about ME?

at fertilization within a week.

i can't pinpoint that day TRUT.

but i'm going a hell of a lot further back than anyone else on here is.

no you're not. you are imagining you are...I don't know when life begins...but I'm pretty sure it's before most people think it is.

 

[bamawriter]

Doesn't the government pay foster parents? Imagine with a small govt, without foster parents, how many kids would be in the streets.

Imagine if adoption wasn't ridiculously complicated and we didn't need as many foster parents.

I love your "big government makes even bigger government necessary" argument.

 

[KiffinKiller]

i get the feeling this thread hits home to PJ for some reason.

what family member of yours killed their baby?

you're a complete ****.

 

[DrunkJohnny]

i get the feeling this thread hits home to PJ for some reason.

what family member of yours killed their baby?

Wow.

 

[bamawriter]

i get the feeling this thread hits home to PJ for some reason.

what family member of yours killed their baby?

Uncalled for.

 

[utvolpj]

i get the feeling this thread hits home to PJ for some reason.

what family member of yours killed their baby?

I'll answer your bait- I did. I would explain my reasons to you but it would be useless without my audience having even the slightest grasp on basic science.

It's probably best if you just treat me like I'm on the Do Not Call list at this point

 

[sjt18]

Do you think a fetus is a human?

That seems obvious by any rational, moral, or scientific definition of the term "human".

Do you think abortion is murder?

It is the ending of an innocent life. Two key words: Innocent, the unborn human has done nothing to deserve death. Life, again by any rational definition the unborn baby is alive... it has metabolism and unique DNA.

If a 12 year old became pregnant after being raped by her step-father, would you be okay with her having an abortion?

Now we are departing from the arbitrary choice to end the life to avoid responsibility and entering what some might believe to be a justified killing. This is an extraordinarily difficult question. I would say that even if it were acceptable... there should be a time limit. The only circumstance in which a child should be aborted after the first trimester is if the mother's life is endangered.

My basic answer is let's outlaw the 98% plus of abortions done when rape, incest, or life of the mother are not a factor... then try to hash out something on the 2%.

I would start by making rape a capital crime with equivalent penalties to murder. So regardless of what we decided about the life of the unborn child... the stepfather should get the chair.

 

[n_huffhines]

government is so ****ed up:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWrdz-Aqw-U&feature=channel_video_title[/youtube]

 

[KiffinKiller]

I'll answer your bait- I did. I would explain my reasons to you but it would be useless without my audience having even the slightest grasp on basic science.

It's probably best if you just treat me like I'm on the Do Not Call list at this point

I would be civil. Mostly because I'm not arrogant enough to claim to know when life begins.

 

[sjt18]

Regardless of what we come up with... it should be more restrictive than it is and should be objective. If we say one week... then let that be it. If we require that evidence of a heartbeat must be looked for prior to an abortion then let it be that.... brain waves, let it be that.