Abortions Rights Win (Again)

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OHvol40 said:
There are still plenty of good people out there that have compassion and a good moral compass, but unfortunately our society rewards those without those qualities (who are willing to lie, cheat, and steal) with unfathomable wealth and power.
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Possibly the dumbest thing I’ve heard in a long time. This is what poor people tell themselves to gain a false sense of moral superiority.

Did Bezos make billions by stealing from you or by providing you immense value?
 
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OHvol40 said:
Naw man, answer my simple question first, who benefits?
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Both parties. That’s why they take part in the transaction.

Now, do nonprofit insurance companies exist? If so, it seems hard to claim the problem is profit. Otherwise wouldn’t nonprofit insurance replace all of them?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Possibly the dumbest thing I’ve heard in a long time. This is what poor people tell themselves to gain a false sense of moral superiority.

Did Bezos make billions by stealing from you or by providing you immense value?
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I’m not poor, nor dumb. Just not naive to the reason we have a government and society that is degrading exponentially.
 
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OHvol40 said:
I’m not poor, nor dumb. Just not naive to the reason we have a government and society that is degrading exponentially.
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You didn’t answer the question. Did Bezos make billions by stealing your money or did you willingly give it to him because he provided you value?
 
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OHvol40 said:
There are still plenty of good people out there that have compassion and a good moral compass, but unfortunately our society rewards those without those qualities (who are willing to lie, cheat, and steal) with unfathomable wealth and power.
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The good people are getting fewer and farther between..but your right. What would you propose as a solution?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Both parties. That’s why they take part in the transaction.

Now, do nonprofit insurance companies exist? If so, it seems hard to claim the problem is profit. Otherwise wouldn’t nonprofit insurance replace all of them?
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No, both parties do not. A delay in care, untreated disease, insufficient diagnostics, lack of safety equipment does not benefit the patient nor the provider. If you believe otherwise, I invite you to field calls explaining denials for a HC insurance company for a week.

I think when you say non-profit, I think you are actually referring to charitable organizations, because non-profit is just basically a tax-status that largely dictates where your profit must be allocated, not that profit is not a motive. You’re welcome to clarify.
 
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OHvol40 said:
No, both parties do not. A delay in care, untreated disease, insufficient diagnostics, lack of safety equipment does not benefit the patient nor the provider. If you believe otherwise, I invite you to field calls explaining denials for a HC insurance company for a week.

I think when you say non-profit, I think you are actually referring to charitable organizations, because non-profit is just basically a tax-status that largely dictates where your profit must be allocated, not that profit is not a motive. You’re welcome to clarify.
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1. Those things occur in all systems. Replacing for profit insurance with government still causes delays in care, untreated disease, insufficient diagnostics, lack of safety equipment, etc.

2. If the people paying for insurance felt they could get a better value for their money, they would seek another company. Let’s not pretend they’re without options, this isn’t the NHS.

3. What specifically would you like me to clarify here? There’s various forms of nonprofits and if these evil insurance agencies were robbing people to the level you believe, those people could form their own nonprofits no different than the way credit unions work or employee pools that many small businesses use. There’s numerous options.

Despite all the options, most people pick for profit health insurance.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
The good people are getting fewer and farther between..but your right. What would you propose as a solution?
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That’s a long row to hoe, but the first thing I would do is outlaw health care organization’s ability to also be the insurance provider. It’s clearly a conflict of interest that they get to both set the price of healthcare and choose what is covered/not covered for a patient. It also allows them to deny a patient covered under their insurance to seek out alternative healthcare providers by refusing to provide coverage. It’s clearly a monopoly that puts patients, employers providing healthcare, and the healthcare workers themselves at a disadvantage.
 
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Roughly 600,000 (reported) abortions per year. 97% performed "for the convenience of the mother and/or parents." 582,000 unborn children die each year because two people had consensual sex and can't handle the responsibility of their actions and people still champion it as "healthcare for women" and celebrate when this country supports it? Glad I wandered into this thread. :rolleyes:
 
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Vol8188 said:
1. Those things occur in all systems. Replacing for profit insurance with government still causes delays in care, untreated disease, insufficient diagnostics, lack of safety equipment, etc.

2. If the people paying for insurance felt they could get a better value for their money, they would seek another company. Let’s not pretend they’re without options, this isn’t the NHS.

3. What specifically would you like me to clarify here? There’s various forms of nonprofits and if these evil insurance agencies were robbing people to the level you believe, those people could form their own nonprofits no different than the way credit unions work or employee pools that many small businesses use. There’s numerous options.

Despite all the options, most people pick for profit health insurance.
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So in the area you live in, how many different healthcare provider organizations exist? Is it a healthy market?
 
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creekdipper said:
If there is no objective morality, then how can we have "the rule of law?" Upon what are laws based? Whims of the ruling elite? Majority rule? Might makes right?

I may believe that I have the right to take one of your 3 cars so that we both have two. Equality, right? But we can't agree, so one of our views has to be imposed upon the other.

"Objective" morality doesn't mean unanymity of opinions.
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Elections and application of the existing constitution.
If you don’t like what happens in your state then move.

Again I can believe that something is morally wrong but still be legal and therefore I don’t personally engage in it.

For example, I’m willing to bet that @evillawyer doesn’t own a gun.
 
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hog88 said:
For a time the company but they would quickly lose subscribers for denying so many services.
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Not if they are the only option because they’re partnered with a HC org that has monopolized a local market.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Providers? Numerous. I thought you were crying about insurance? This seems like the goal posts are now moving.
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No, no goalpost moving, it’s all related. So how many large HC provider orgs exist in your local area?
 
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#493
whodeycin85 said:
Most laws now were based on a Christian moral code of our founding fathers...what we are experiencing now is the lack of morality in society. And laws are now ignored and that encourages those with no moral code..what do you propose as a solution?
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Simple laws that cover the basics. Like you don't kill someone else except in self defense, you don't take stuff belonging to another by force or by guile, just some basics. It almost seems like we keep adding complexity to justify keeping lawyers around ... and maybe because some people have a thing about trying to tell others how to live. There was a list of ten things not to do once, we deleted one of those from criminal prosecution, and added one against having too many wives. Actually any man stupid enough to think more than one is the way to go should have to live with his problem.
 
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evillawyer said:
It's almost like when the matter is put directly to the voters, they want women to have choice. Abortion rights are undefeated when actually put to a vote by the citizenry. All three wins in very red states (Kansas, Ohio, and Kentucky). And it's not even going to be close in Ohio.

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One of the things that God gave man was free will. So if you want to murder and old person, a middle aged person, or an unborn child it is ultimately your decision. There are severe consequences that go along with all of these decisions. I do not personally support the murder of unborn children; however, my beliefs should not be pressed upon others. We have to understand as a nation that there will always be those without morals and those that are just frankly stupid. There has been much research done about the loss of mental health for those that chose to kill their unborn through abortion, as this is one of the consequences of murder. It is noble to look after the well being of the unborn, but in the end those lacking morals or intelligence will pay the price. The whole issue is saddening.
 
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