Abortions Rights Win (Again)

[BeardedVol]

I haven't read through the whole thread.

It is a good thing the states have made their decisions. Which is where the issue should be decided. I hope all the folks who went apoplectic with predictions of what de centralizing the right to abort would mean for the country are on their apology tour for fear mongering. Lastly, I hope to see state initiatives giving a father the right to abort his financial responsibility brought to a state vote. Would also like to see initiatives giving full right to women... their body their choice (prostitution, drug use, selling organs, etc)... brought to a vote.

This is why the feds will eventually step back into the middle of the situation...

With no opposition in the room, a rural Texas county makes traveling for an abortion on its roads illegal

Cochran County, which borders New Mexico, joins a small group of other rural Texas counties that have passed these ordinances. Abortion-rights supporters say the new policies are not legal.

www.texastribune.org

Alabama AG tells court he has right to prosecute out-of-state abortion aid

Alabama Attorney General Steve Marshall (R) argued in a court filing Wednesday that he can file criminal charges against people who assist those getting abortion care outside the state. Marshall ar…

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AG Lynn Fitch wants records of abortions performed on Mississippians out-of-state

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[Volfan8282]

That just leads down the rabbit hole.

Don’t disagree but that’s why I can’t go along with the full stop argument. You can’t apply carte blanche freedom when there are two freedoms at stake and one of those will be snuffed out as a result.

 

[hog88]

This is why the feds will eventually step back into the middle of the situation...

With no opposition in the room, a rural Texas county makes traveling for an abortion on its roads illegal

Cochran County, which borders New Mexico, joins a small group of other rural Texas counties that have passed these ordinances. Abortion-rights supporters say the new policies are not legal.

www.texastribune.org

Alabama AG tells court he has right to prosecute out-of-state abortion aid

Alabama Attorney General Steve Marshall (R) argued in a court filing Wednesday that he can file criminal charges against people who assist those getting abortion care outside the state. Marshall ar…

thehill.com

AG Lynn Fitch wants records of abortions performed on Mississippians out-of-state

Mississippi Public Broadcasting is MPB. Mississippi is Our Mission. Get the latest news on Tate Reeves, the Election and updates on Television, Radio and Online

www.mpbonline.org

The federal courts will slap this **** down like thunder. No need for federal legislation.

 

[85SugarVol]

Don’t disagree but that’s why I can’t go along with the full stop argument. You can’t apply carte blanche freedom when there are two freedoms at stake and one of those will be snuffed out as a result.

I understand, but that’s just back to what “is” it.

What are your thoughts on if the baby is actually viable, taking it out and relieving the mother of the burden?

 

[Gladiator1]

It's a long line for reparations, especially if all the Native Americans belly up to the table too.

Their claims should be first in line and include quite a bit of land value in addition to whatever "pain and suffering." The big winners will always be the attorneys so send your kids to law school.

True enough

 

[McDad]

What happens when one person’s full bodily autonomy infringes on another person? That’s the crux of all of this. And that’s the divide. I’m with you if we’re talking about a mole removal.

If my agency over myself encroaches on another it is no longer agency over myself. It is now spilled over and requires consent.

 

[hog88]

If my agency over myself encroaches on another it is no longer agency over myself. It is now spilled over and requires consent.

Yeah, keep your agency to yourself and quit spilling it all over other people!

 

[McDad]

This is why the feds will eventually step back into the middle of the situation...

With no opposition in the room, a rural Texas county makes traveling for an abortion on its roads illegal

Cochran County, which borders New Mexico, joins a small group of other rural Texas counties that have passed these ordinances. Abortion-rights supporters say the new policies are not legal.

www.texastribune.org

Alabama AG tells court he has right to prosecute out-of-state abortion aid

Alabama Attorney General Steve Marshall (R) argued in a court filing Wednesday that he can file criminal charges against people who assist those getting abortion care outside the state. Marshall ar…

thehill.com

AG Lynn Fitch wants records of abortions performed on Mississippians out-of-state

Mississippi Public Broadcasting is MPB. Mississippi is Our Mission. Get the latest news on Tate Reeves, the Election and updates on Television, Radio and Online

www.mpbonline.org

The fed needs to be involved because citizens of states where it is prohibited or restricted are traveling to where it is legal or decriminalized?

 

[McDad]

Yeah, keep your agency to yourself and quit spilling it all over other people!

Some ppl like my agency spilled on them.

 

[hog88]

Some ppl like my agency spilled on them.

@LouderVol isn’t ppl.

 

[BeardedVol]

The fed needs to be involved because citizens of states where it is prohibited or restricted are traveling to where it is legal or decriminalized?

I take it you are familiar with the concept of 'jurisdiction'?

You don't see a problem with states trying to criminalize travel to another state for purposes that are entirely legal in that state?

Or prosecuting residents upon their return for conduct that occurred in another state, where that conduct is legal?

 

[Volfan8282]

If my agency over myself encroaches on another it is no longer agency over myself. It is now spilled over and requires consent.

Consent from the unborn?

 

[Volfan8282]

I understand, but that’s just back to what “is” it.

What are your thoughts on if the baby is actually viable, taking it out and relieving the mother of the burden?

I think I’m good with that assuming it’s not a trick question. Preserve life. Relieve the mother from raising the child.

 

[McDad]

I take it you are familiar with the concept of 'jurisdiction'?

You don't see a problem with states trying to criminalize travel to another state for purposes that are entirely legal in that state?

Or prosecuting residents upon their return for conduct that occurred in another state, where that conduct is legal?

I am familiar with jurisdiction.
You have assigned a debate position to me I did not assert.

 

[McDad]

Consent from the unborn?

That's a challenge. While I find the action abhorrent, there is no clear criteria on when the unborn possesses rights, what their rights are, and whether those rights are conditional or fixed.

When a person has conditional or limited rights, an authority or guardian must determine consent. In the case of a baby in utero the most logical person to determine consent is the mother. Unfortunately said mother is consenting for termination.

 

[TNVOLNAVY]

 

[Vol since 77]

I am familiar with jurisdiction.
You have assigned a debate position to me I did not assert.

Funny how so many in these threads do that. And after theyre proven wrong, they usually disappear or have nothing else to say. Only conclusion I can come to is some of us (you and myself mainly) are just smarter than others

 

[85SugarVol]

I think I’m good with that assuming it’s not a trick question. Preserve life. Relieve the mother from raising the child.

Not a trick question.

 

[McDad]

Funny how so many in these threads do that. And after, they usually disappear or have nothing else to say. Only conclusion I can come to is some of us (you and myself mainly) are just smarter than others

Lol. My wife would disagree.

 

[Vol since 77]

Lol. My wife would disagree.

Mine as well

 

[Volfan8282]

That's a challenge. While I find the action abhorrent, there is no clear criteria on when the unborn possesses rights, what their rights are, and whether those rights are conditional or fixed.

If they have rights, seems like not being ripped limb from limb and having their brains sucked out would be toward the top of that list. But, I hear you. The problem I have is the autonomy and women’s right to choose are not the issues for folks that believe like I do. Red herrings.

 

[85SugarVol]

This is the exact same type of tactics we see from gun grabbers who post “the truth about what an ar15 does to a 5 year old’s body”.

They are identical pleas to emotion.

- It’s no secret as to what happens to a baby in a D&E procedure.
- It’s no secret as to what happens when a high velocity rifle round hits a child.

 

[85SugarVol]

If my agency over myself encroaches on another it is no longer agency over myself. It is now spilled over and requires consent.

Agreed. And I understand this particular situation gets sticky with regards to spillover.

 

[McDad]

If they have rights, seems like not being ripped limb from limb and having their brains sucked out would be toward the top of that list. But, I hear you. The problem I have is the autonomy and women’s right to choose are not the issues for folks that believe like I do. Red herrings.

I agree it seems obvious to assign the right to life to a baby in utero. Unfortunately, rights for children are conditional, even children younger than 21. Those legal restrictions are vaguely defined, if at all, to life in the womb.
In fact, the conditional rights a fetus posseses are confusing further because they aren't defined and those rights vary based on the feelings of the parents. Example, abortion is okay but if a drunk hits a pregnant woman and kills the baby it's a crime.
To say it's messed up is a crude understatement.

 

[hUTch2002]

It's about the government not being able to tell a woman what she can or can't do to her body. Should we require all males to have a vasectomy at 16 and then have it reversed when they are financially stable and ready to raise a kid?

Yes