About that Churchill Bust

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Let's face facts, neither guy is qualified for the job. No one qualified for the job would want the hassle and pay cut required to run for it.
 
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missourivol said:
called skins a __ ______ liar. and told him to ____ off. i think you can fill in the blanks.
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LG needs to simma down now

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BigPapaVol said:
dumb conclusion. Of course Obama was involved in the decision to send it back. There is no freaking way that they sent off something like that without his consent. Don't be so boneheaded in your lame attempts at making the guy out to be anything but a worthless politician.

Your repeated efforts and calling everyone racists have become embarrassing - and I don't even know you.
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Where is your evidence that Obama was even aware of the thing? There has to be hundreds of such items in his path every single day he walks around the place.

You are continuing with the rank highly dubious speculation. I expected more of you than that.
 
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volinbham said:
LG needs to simma down now

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I've just completely reached my bullshiite limit, and the crappy fabricated facts and conjecture upon which this thread relies, coupled with people lying about what is in the linked materials, is more than I can stomach today.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Where is your evidence that Obama was even aware of the thing? There has to be hundreds of such items in his path every single day he walks around the place.

You are continuing with the rank highly dubious speculation. I expected more of you than that.
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I think your previous comments are pretty much what have been expected of you.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I've just completely reached my bullshiite limit, and the crappy fabricated facts and conjecture upon which this thread relies, coupled with people lying about what is in the linked materials, is more than I can stomach today.
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It hurts you that people mimmick your posting style?
 
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lawgator1 said:
I've just completely reached my bullshiite limit, and the crappy fabricated facts and conjecture upon which this thread relies, coupled with people lying about what is in the linked materials, is more than I can stomach today.
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You must be taking it out of context...
 
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lawgator1 said:
Where is your evidence that Obama was even aware of the thing? There has to be hundreds of such items in his path every single day he walks around the place.

You are continuing with the rank highly dubious speculation. I expected more of you than that.
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Not sure why I'm bothering but...

Churchill bust debacle:

However, a spokesman for the British Embassy in Washington said yesterday: "We have made it clear that we would be pleased to extend the loan should Mr Obama so wish." He added that no response had been received; yesterday the White House declined to comment.
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As you can see from this passage the WH was made aware of the bust, the offer to stay and was questioned by the press on the offer and stayed silent.

Hard to say the WH was unaware of the bust and that it was simply shuffled off with a bunch of other stuff. Even if that were true in the beginning - the bust was specifically brought to their attention by both the British Embassy and the press.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Where is your evidence that Obama was even aware of the thing? There has to be hundreds of such items in his path every single day he walks around the place.

You are continuing with the rank highly dubious speculation. I expected more of you than that.
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Ludicrous for you to think we sent that back to Britain, after an offer from them to let us keep it, without asking the president's opinion. It's his freaking temp residence.

I'm not continuing anything. I'm just reasoning through the situation. If you like the Eric Holder approach to his defense, have at it, but don't look at me as if I'm lost when I choose to call you a buffoon for so doing.
 
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volinbham said:
Not sure why I'm bothering but...

Churchill bust debacle:



As you can see from this passage the WH was made aware of the bust, the offer to stay and was questioned by the press on the offer and stayed silent.

Hard to say the WH was unaware of the bust and that it was simply shuffled off with a bunch of other stuff. Even if that were true in the beginning - the bust was specifically brought to their attention by both the British Embassy and the press.
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and, to his earlier silliness about unstatesmanlike Romney, we certainly can't lend this administration an credibility in that department either, if they'd so wantonly stomp all over the bust of a British hero like that.
 
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utvolpj said:
and this is the thread LG chooses to make his stand? :eek:lol:

not about any real policy but about a statue? Clearly this election is about real issues
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My comments in this thread have not been about the bust, per se, but rather about the absurd conjecture that Obama personally told the staff to send the thing back because of some unspoken but burning grudge about colonial empire abuse in Kenya generations ago.

That people still want in this thread to defend that pure guess, with no evidence WHATSOEVER, is, to me, tragically stupid.

Some posters on here, well, it would be expected for them to take whatever silliness puked out there onto the net by rabid lunatic fringe types like themselves. Others I thought would surely chime in and say that it really seems unlikely that this is some sort of Obama-ordered snub at the UK over a blind grudge of some kind. But I am genuinely dismayed that certain others would join in on the theory, at least not without having at least some tiny iota of evidence to think its true.
 
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It's absolutely absurd to me that you are absolutely unwilling to attribute this decision to Obama. Absurd. If the issue is petty and beneath him, he need not pretend to be more statesman than anyone. If it's not, he helped pull the trigger on the deal. Either way, you have no argument, given your absurdity in the Romney is no statesman thread.
 
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this was simply a decorating issue. Maybe we are blaming the wrong Obama
 
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lawgator1 said:
My comments in this thread have not been about the bust, per se, but rather about the absurd conjecture that Obama personally told the staff to send the thing back because of some unspoken but burning grudge about colonial empire abuse in Kenya generations ago.

That people still want in this thread to defend that pure guess, with no evidence WHATSOEVER, is, to me, tragically stupid.

Some posters on here, well, it would be expected for them to take whatever silliness puked out there onto the net by rabid lunatic fringe types like themselves. Others I thought would surely chime in and say that it really seems unlikely that this is some sort of Obama-ordered snub at the UK over a blind grudge of some kind. But I am genuinely dismayed that certain others would join in on the theory, at least not without having at least some tiny iota of evidence to think its true.
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What are you blathering about - the evidence is clear that the WH made a choice to send it back. It wasn't an accidental house cleaning as the WH Comm Dir. suggests (dare I say lied about).

Why did they send it back? Who knows? The WH sure ain't talking. It's hard to imagine why they would do so when they were directly offered the statue. Unless they had some reason to get rid of it the diplomatic thing would have been to graciously accept the offer.

Whether or not it was intended as a snub it certainly was a diplomatic snub which ties this back to the original point of bringing it up - Obama made diplomatic gaffes towards the Brits but that is somehow not viewed as any indication of his foreign diplomacy chops.
 
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volinbham said:
What are you blathering about - the evidence is clear that the WH made a choice to send it back. It wasn't an accidental house cleaning as the WH Comm Dir. suggests (dare I say lied about).

Why did they send it back? Who knows? The WH sure ain't talking. It's hard to imagine why they would do so when they were directly offered the statue. Unless they had some reason to get rid of it the diplomatic thing would have been to graciously accept the offer.

Whether or not it was intended as a snub it certainly was a diplomatic snub which ties this back to the original point of bringing it up - Obama made diplomatic gaffes towards the Brits but that is somehow not viewed as any indication of his foreign diplomacy chops.
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As soon as any of you has a shred of evidence to support your pure guesswork on this issue, send me a message and I'll come back and be happy to discuss with you. Until then, appears we are at loggerheads over it.
 
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lawgator1 said:
As soon as any of you has a shred of evidence to support your pure guesswork on this issue, send me a message and I'll come back and be happy to discuss with you. Until then, appears we are at loggerheads over it.
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nobody is at loggerheads. You're at head in ass and we're awaiting you're next gulp of air.
 
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lawgator1 said:
As soon as any of you has a shred of evidence to support your pure guesswork on this issue, send me a message and I'll come back and be happy to discuss with you. Until then, appears we are at loggerheads over it.
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if you are talking to me I posted a news article that reported:

1) British Embassy communicated directly with the WH about keeping the bust.

2) Press questions or at least question to the WH about keeping the bust.

Can't see how you can claim WH did not know about the bust, it's history/significance and still decided to return it.

As I said, I cannot explain why they returned it but it is abundantly clear they made a choice and knew what it was and why it was there. They consciously refused the offer from the Brits.
 
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volinbham said:
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if you are talking to me I posted a news article that reported:

1) British Embassy communicated directly with the WH about keeping the bust.

2) Press questions or at least question to the WH about keeping the bust.

Can't see how you can claim WH did not know about the bust, it's history/significance and still decided to return it.

As I said, I cannot explain why they returned it but it is abundantly clear they made a choice and knew what it was and why it was there. They consciously refused the offer from the Brits.
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None of that is evidence that Obama told staff to send it back because he's mad about Kenya in the 1930s or 40s.

That is what was posited earlier. Its a ridiculous argument to make, given how much Obama has gone over there had tremendous relationship with British officials. It just makes no sense to say that he did all of that and then was also mad about Kenya and said to send the bust back.

The thread, and the position you take, is just utter nonsense.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
It's absolutely absurd to me that you are absolutely unwilling to attribute this decision to Obama. Absurd. If the issue is petty and beneath him, he need not pretend to be more statesman than anyone. If it's not, he helped pull the trigger on the deal. Either way, you have no argument, given your absurdity in the Romney is no statesman thread.
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It doesn't appear the buck stops at the POTUS in the Obama administration. He does no wrong..
 
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lawgator1 said:
None of that is evidence that Obama told staff to send it back because he's mad about Kenya in the 1930s or 40s.

That is what was posited earlier. Its a ridiculous argument to make, given how much Obama has gone over there had tremendous relationship with British officials. It just makes no sense to say that he did all of that and then was also mad about Kenya and said to send the bust back.

The thread, and the position you take, is just utter nonsense.
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I'm not saying it's about the Kenyan mess. I'm saying he was involved in the decision, which was apparently an international faux pas.

You're the last person on this site to lecture about taking nonsensical positions.
 
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lawgator1 said:
None of that is evidence that Obama told staff to send it back because he's mad about Kenya in the 1930s or 40s.

But it is not what I claimed. I was responding to your claim that there is no evidence the WH actively decided to send it back. The evidence is clear. The reason why is unclear.

That is what was posited earlier. Its a ridiculous argument to make, given how much Obama has gone over there had tremendous relationship with British officials. It just makes no sense to say that he did all of that and then was also mad about Kenya and said to send the bust back.

The thread, and the position you take, is just utter nonsense.
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You may want to reread my posts. I've never said it was because of the reason you posted above. I have said (repeatedly) that they returned it and were aware of why it was there in the first place. They turned down a gracious offer from our top ally - an offer that was given as a sign of solidarity.

That is a diplomatic gaffe - even if you don't want it you accept a gift given this way, you accept it.

If Romney's Olympic comments were some sign of his foreign policy chops (which they weren't) then this move by Obama was as well (which it wasn't).
 
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