About that Churchill Bust

#80
#80
tang said:
ok, so that gives him the right to be disrespectfull to other posters and call them names?
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no, that just seemed like a good answer at the time.
LG takes as much bs as he dishes out if not more.
Being a liberal on this forum is not an easy task.
Agree with LG or not he sticks with his convictions.
I respect him for doing so.
 
#83
#83
Gramps said:
no, that just seemed like a good answer at the time.
LG takes as much bs as he dishes out if not more.
Being a liberal on this forum is not an easy task.
Agree with LG or not he sticks with his convictions.
I respect him for doing so.
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I think anyone who treats politics like a sport and pulls for a team ( GS, LG1) should be ridiculed and not taken seriously.
 
#84
#84
orangeslice13 said:
I think anyone who treats politics like a sport and pulls for a team ( GS, LG1) should be ridiculed and not taken seriously.
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I agree.

There are some that wear their red or blue blinders. I don't understand how some will back their party 100%. That is just the way politics are. Both sides have a little i agree or disagree with.

I see very little difference in the GOP or Dems either as far as doing what best for the USA.
 
#85
#85
Gramps said:
I agree.

There are some that wear their red or blue blinders. I don't understand how some will back their party 100%. That is just the way politics are. Both sides have a little i agree or disagree with.

I see very little difference in the GOP or Dems either as far as doing what best for the USA.
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Gramps understands me
 
#86
#86
BigPapaVol said:
I'm saying he was involved in the decision, which was apparently an international faux pas.

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What makes you say this ? Given his daily schedule, especially at the beginning, I just think it absurd to believe Obama had anything to do with it.
 
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#87
lawgator1 said:
What makes you say this ? Given his daily schedule, especially at the beginning, I just think it absurd to believe Obama had anything to do with it.
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His daily effing schedule? He makes Bush look like a workaholic.

If this gaffe happened without his consent, he needs to be fired.
 
#88
#88
BigPapaVol said:
His daily effing schedule? He makes Bush look like a workaholic.

If this gaffe happened without his consent, he needs to be fired.
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What? A gaffe ? The only people who seem to give a damn are those straining to try to make it look like Obama is "so Kenyan" that he would insult our biggest ally in the world.

Have any British officials complained about this ? Or is this just, as I suspect, another iteration of Birtherism?
 
#89
#89
lawgator1 said:
What? A gaffe ? The only people who seem to give a damn are those straining to try to make it look like Obama is "so Kenyan" that he would insult our biggest ally in the world.

Have any British officials complained about this ? Or is this just, as I suspect, another iteration of Birtherism?
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Surely you know the British response was less than happy. This isn't about strain. It's pointing out that your overblown effort topping out Romney's diplomatic shortfalls is just another plank in your eye. Your eyes must be damn deep in your skull by this point.
 
#92
#92
BigPapaVol said:
Not sure if serious.
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Irony upon irony from LG in this thread.

He's the guy that made all sorts of claims that Romney "mischaracterized income", "falsified valuations" and basically evaded taxes (all crimes).

The evidence? The value of his IRA.

Further, he suggests he's done something really bad since he won't release his taxes - somehow that equals guilty of something really bad.

Here he blows a gasket and bends in knots to deny Obama knew about the bust when evidence is shown that the Brits talked to the WH about it and the press asked about the issue.

So I agree - not sure if serious.
 
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#94
Looking for any statement by a UK government official that this was a "gaffe" or damaged relations in any way.

Given feigned surprise I'd hold bpv to his comment, I'm guessing there isn't any.
 
#95
#95
lawgator1 said:
Looking for any statement by a UK government official that this was a "gaffe" or damaged relations in any way.

Given feigned surprise I'd hold bpv to his comment, I'm guessing there isn't any.
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Where have you seen that Romney damaged relations with the UK?

From the article I posted there are two excerpts from stories at the time - both indicate diplomats and/or Gordon Brown felt it was the wrong move.

First to break the story of the Churchill bust being returned to the British Embassy was The Sunday Telegraph’s Tim Shipman (now at The Daily Mail), who wrote in February 2009:
Barack Obama has sent Sir Winston Churchill packing and pulse rates soaring among anxious British diplomats. A bust of the former prime minister once voted the greatest Briton in history, which was loaned to George W Bush from the Government's art collection after the September 11 attacks, has now been formally handed back.
The bronze by Sir Jacob Epstein, worth hundreds of thousands of pounds if it were ever sold on the open market, enjoyed pride of place in the Oval Office during President Bush's tenure.
But when British officials offered to let Mr Obama to hang onto the bust for a further four years, the White House said: "Thanks, but no thanks."
Two weeks earlier, in January 2009, The Times had revealed the bust had been removed from the Oval Office and placed in storage, in a piece headlined: "Churchill bust casts shadow over the Special Relationship" (no longer online, but available on news databases such as Lexis/Nexis). Significantly, The Times noted that the British government, led at the time by Gordon Brown, was keen for the bust to go back to the Oval Office:
Britain wants President Obama to put a bronze bust of Sir Winston Churchill back in the Oval Office, where it stood for the past eight years as a symbol of an enduring special relationship with America. The White House is not so sure.
Shortly before Mr Obama's inauguration, the Jacob Epstein bronze is understood to have been removed and placed in storage by White House curators. Recent photographs show that a bust of Abraham Lincoln, one of the new President's heroes, has been moved to take the position once occupied by Churchill.
The bronze was lent to George Bush by Tony Blair in 2001 from the Government Art Collection for the duration of his presidency. It is now due to be returned.
However, a spokesman for the British Embassy in Washington said yesterday: "We have made it clear that we would be pleased to extend the loan should Mr Obama so wish." He added that no response had been received; yesterday the White House declined to comment.
It is very clear from these articles in two of Britain’s leading newspapers that the British government gave every opportunity for the Obama White House to keep the Churchill bust, but the president chose not to do so. After all, he could easily have accommodated both Lincoln and Churchill in the Oval Office. The White House, however, remains firmly in denial over the return of the bust, which carries great symbolism on both sides of the Atlantic.
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#97
volinbham said:
Where have you seen that Romney damaged relations with the UK?

From the article I posted there are two excerpts from stories at the time - both indicate diplomats and/or Gordon Brown felt it was the wrong move.
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