ACC imploding???

If the beloved ACC implodes, which two schools would you most likely like to see join the SEC?

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#26
#26
Virginia and Duke…gotta bring up the conference athletes GPA and they’re both basically Vanderbilt light except for Duke BB
 
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I think FSU is just spouting off because they want a higher share of the revenue in the ACC and trying to leverage all the recent instability in the PAC-12 to get what they want. I think how they are going about this is creating some bad will with the rest of the ACC. Even without thinking about the grant of rights it is around $120 million buy out to get out of the ACC. Not an insignificant amount and I don't think the SEC is bellyaching to get FSU at this time. The GOR would be contested in court and that is a large gamble to make if you are FSU. I think they are just howling at the moon. The SEC doesn't have to do anything rash right now. Neither does the Big 10. They have 4 new teams to integrate into their conference which isn't an easy task. Notre Dame in a sense controls the ACC destiny and they are going to do everything possible to secure their access to the playoffs and remain independent. Their TV deal is over in 2025 and more changes may occur then. Other than what happens to the 4 teams that remain in the PAC-12 (potentially merger with Mountain West) I think we are done with massive changes for now regardless of what FSU wants.
 
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Vol737 said:
Nothing “southern” about Miami other than its geographic location being the furthest south. It’s NYC moved real far south. Zero southern culture. That’s why Mizzou should have never been let in and should be shown out. JMO.
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Other than the Chiefs, Missouri absolutely does not care a single thing about football!
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
No to NCSU and Duke. Don't see the value.

UVA and UNC make sense from New TV Market standpoint..

Clemson and Miami don't add new markets but it keeps another conference from plucking them...
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How does Miami not add a market? Miami is one of the largest US tv markets
 
#36
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VAVol85 said:
GA Tech has history but not much present.
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We don't need another top tier team. They bring a lot in other sports and the football team is heading back up.
I would love to see them once again start pulling some top GA recruits from UGA.
 
#38
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Shirleyudontmeanthat said:
Fill its stadium ? Tv markets dwarf any stadium anything. It s all that matters
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Brand is also a huge piece of this puzzle as well. “The U” averaged the 8th most viewers in the ACC last season. Maybe that would go up with an SEC schedule, but I don’t believe in the huge city markets of mediocre football programs. They are a pro sports towns. I never thought the Tri State area suddenly cared more about college football when Rutgers joined the B1G. That’s a Yankees/Giants/ Knicks town. LA is a Dodgers/ Lakers maybe Rams and Chargers town. Hell Miami, might as well be a Yankees, Giants, Fins, Heat town.
 
#39
#39
I think the sec should stay 16 teams, like Stankey said.
If they decided to take 2 schools, I’d vote UNC and VT or UVA, for football and other sports. Clem and FSU already have SEC schools in their states. The NC and Virginia areas would also be attractive in recruiting
 
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This will be decided by University presidents and not ADs or coaches. With the SEC being a mostly land grant institution conference with all schools being R-1 institutions, I believe NC State and VA Tech will be given higher consideration If they are interested. Additionally, their addition would add 2 new states to the SEC footprint. Northern Va/DC and Charlotte are large media markets that would come into the footprint. Both states also have significant 2nd tier media markets, Adding new media markets = bigger ($$$) ESPN contract. Adding Clemson and FSU will only minimally move the contract needle ($)

UVA and UNC sees themselves as "public ivy" institutions. I do not see them breaking away from Duke and Wake Forest. These universities have large endowments with donors much less focused on sports. Maybe they would be interested in taking candy Vandy off the SEC's hands.
 
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This isn't happening.

Folks see the PAC falling apart and think other conferences are vulnerable as well. They're not.

The difference between the PAC's financial situation and the ACC's could not be more drastic:

- The PAC's TV deal is about to expire. Meaning there's no penalty on programs jumping ship to another conference. There's no new deal yet in place, and it seems really sketchy whether one can be landed...right now, a streaming service is the best offer going (!!!). So all the programs are really nervous. This gives them motivation to look for a new home. Meanwhile, both the B10 and B12 are aggressively trying to expand in an effort to keep up with the SEC. The B10's "genius idea" is to expand to the left coast. Whether this is fool's gold or not, we'll see over the next decade or so. The B12 is simply trying to shore up its ranks having lost its flagship programs, Texas and Oklahoma, to the SEC. Perfect storm for the PAC to fall entirely to pieces. Which is just what they're doing.

- Meanwhile, the ACC somehow talked all of its programs into allowing the conference to hogtie them, throw them down in the basement, and triple padlock the only exit. They are quite literally the financial prisoners of the conference for the next 12 (TWELVE) years. They not only don't get any broadcast money for playing football over the next 12 years if they leave, they also have to PAY the conference $120m to get out. The FSU president can talk tough all he wants, no one is leaving the ACC in the next decade or so unless some slick lawyer finds a secret escape hatch somewhere in the wording of the TV rights contract.

So no, the ACC isn't losing any teams. The SEC (nor anyone else) are going to gain any of them. It's a pre madonna mute point, not even worth wondering about.

Having said that, I'd take Va Tech and UNC.

Go Vols!
 
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NV Vol said:
This will be decided by University presidents and not ADs or coaches. With the SEC being a mostly land grant institution conference with all schools being R-1 institutions, I believe NC State and VA Tech will be given higher consideration If they are interested. Additionally, their addition would add 2 new states to the SEC footprint. Northern Va/DC and Charlotte are large media markets that would come into the footprint. Both states also have significant 2nd tier media markets, Adding new media markets = bigger ($$$) ESPN contract. Adding Clemson and FSU will only minimally move the contract needle ($)

UVA and UNC sees themselves as "public ivy" institutions. I do not see them breaking away from Duke and Wake Forest. These universities have large endowments with donors much less focused on sports. Maybe they would be interested in taking candy Vandy off the SEC's hands.
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I agree about UNC and UVA and their desire to be thought of as “Public Ivy”, which means they would be a natural fit in The B1G. I think State and VT are natural fits in the SEC due to their large alumni groups in states where we don’t have a footprint . Raleigh/Durham is growing at a rapid pace and Charlotte is a huge town that is a melting pot of SEC fans combined w/ local Carolina and State grads. That’s an ideal market to grab. Wake is a the smallest power 5 school currently. I think they very well could be left without a chair when the music stops.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
This isn't happening.

Folks see the PAC falling apart and think other conferences are vulnerable as well. They're not.

The difference between the PAC's financial situation and the ACC's could not be more drastic:

- The PAC's TV deal is about to expire. Meaning there's no penalty on programs jumping ship to another conference. There's no new deal yet in place, and it seems really sketchy whether one can be landed...right now, a streaming service is the best offer going (!!!). So all the programs are really nervous. This gives them motivation to look for a new home. Meanwhile, both the B10 and B12 are aggressively trying to expand in an effort to keep up with the SEC. The B10's "genius idea" is to expand to the left coast. Whether this is fool's gold or not, we'll see over the next decade or so. The B12 is simply trying to shore up its ranks having lost its flagship programs, Texas and Oklahoma, to the SEC. Perfect storm for the PAC to fall entirely to pieces. Which is just what they're doing.

- Meanwhile, the ACC somehow talked all of its programs into allowing the conference to hogtie them, throw them down in the basement, and triple padlock the only exit. They are quite literally the financial prisoners of the conference for the next 12 (TWELVE) years. They not only don't get any broadcast money for playing football over the next 12 years if they leave, they also have to PAY the conference $120m to get out. The FSU president can talk tough all he wants, no one is leaving the ACC in the next decade or so unless some slick lawyer finds a secret escape hatch somewhere in the wording of the TV rights contract.

So no, the ACC isn't losing any teams. The SEC (nor anyone else) are going to gain any of them. It's a pre madonna mute point, not even worth wondering about.

Having said that, I'd take Va Tech and UNC.

Go Vols!
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If 8 or 9 teams all decide to leave there is no one left to pay because the league will dissolve. That hasn’t happened yet because not enough universities know their landing spot.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
If 8 or 9 teams all decide to leave there is no one left to pay because the league will dissolve. That hasn’t happened yet because not enough universities know their landing spot.
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From what I've been reading, none of them actually want to leave. Not yet, anyway. The ones making all the unhappy noises (primarily FSU and Clemson, but including to a lesser extent UNC, NC State, Va Tech, UVA, and Miami) are making those noises in their argument to break the even-shares agreement. They want to be paid more if they bring in more. They want the conference's lions to have a lion's share.

In other words, they want to stay in the conference. And get paid more for it.

That's far different than trying to get out.

Indeed, it is most likely that if this play works out to the bigger programs' favor, it will be the little guys who start looking for a new home 12 years from now, when they can. The Pitts and Syracuses and Dukes.

But another thing all the experts seem to agree on: folks have been looking for a loophole in the ACC contract for the past 12 years, and haven't found one yet. They're unlikely to in the next 12, either.
 
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amaralfan1 said:
Miami brings you the Nation's 16th largest media market. If the SEC brought in Mizzou to get the St Louis/KC media markets, Miami is a no brainer.
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Miami does not care one bit about The U.
They bring absolutely nothing to the SEC.


Large TV market............. yep. Watching reruns of "The Golden Girls" and "Soap"
Hard Pass
 
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