ACC imploding???

If the beloved ACC implodes, which two schools would you most likely like to see join the SEC?

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#76
#76
dobre_shunka said:
How can you lump Soap in with the Golden Girls category? Those are dramatically different shows.

Matchlock and Murder She Wrote are in the same group as GG but not Soap.
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Idk…..wasn’t Bea Arthur on both? :confused:
 
#77
#77
luthervol said:
GA Tech would be the best fit.
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Georgia Tech was part of the SEC. Bobby Dodd took GT out of the conference when it would not stop the practice by some member schools of obtaining letters of intent from more student athletes than they could add to their rosters. The guilty schools (Bama was especially egregious) would not release the student athletes until their ability to sign with another school had passed. Dodd despised this practice of denying student athletes their shot just to insure rosters were filled with the best candidates and depriving competitors of certain talent. When the SEC would not end this practice, Dodd withdrew Tech from the conference. Dodd believed student athletes deserved fair treatment and a real shot at playing college ball. After four years as an independent, GT joined the ACC.
 
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#79
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Super impressed with the quality of debate in this thread so far. Many great points.

Imo, IF the legal heads at schools were to somehow break the bind on the contract and let schools out of the ACC (very unlikely), SEC would take 4 schools. Which ones is the issue, as discussed. Recently legislators in both states have tied NC/NCST and UVA/VT together, so getting getting one drags the other along. Those 4 would be a strong add for me, gaining the Charlotte, Raleigh, and DC TV markets, great basketball potential, and not destabilizing the current SEC power balance for TN. It would be like adding 4 Kentucky-level schools in Football, some decent years, but never an anual title contender....
 
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It will happen and the only schools that make sense are Virginia and UNC. Need the VA and NC markets. The others are universities in states you already own the markets in. Backup plan would be NC State or VA Tech, but the priors are the top takes.

Would also make sense to dump Vandy too, but only after you add UNC/VA. Then you need another??
 
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Ghost of Archvol said:
It will happen and the only schools that make sense are Virginia and UNC. Need the VA and NC markets. The others are universities in states you already own the markets in. Backup plan would be NC State or VA Tech, but the priors are the top takes.

Would also make sense to dump Vandy too, but only after you add UNC/VA. Then you need another??
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No they are not … not even close. Miami is the only market that’s coveted. The Virginia market is laughable
 
#84
#84
RDU VOL#14 said:
The revenue sharing thing is a band aid . They tried it in the Big 12 and you see where their big dogs are now. It may not happen next year or maybe in 2 or 3, but there is zero chance that these ACC schools will stay with the status quo while watching Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Kentucky and border schools like Tennessee bring in $50 million + more per year . There’s no way that happens.
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With the GoR being so tight, I'm at a loss to see what leverage FSU or Clemson might have to force the ACC to give them a higher TV share.

If the ACC just says "No. Everyone gets deal in the contract you signed" I can't see what FSU can do beyond whine. Unless they find a way to nullify it or rally enough other schools to dissolve the ACC, it seems the ACC has all the cards.

Without the concerted help of the SEC and B1G, I can't see there being enough schools that are able to find a better deal than they're getting in the ACC.

As the discussion here shows, there's not a clear ACC school we "just have to get ASAP" so I think we just let them twist in the wind, recruit over almost all of them, and whip their butts when we see them in the playoffs.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
With the GoR being so tight, I'm at a loss to see what leverage FSU or Clemson might have to force the ACC to give them a higher TV share.

If the ACC just says "No. Everyone gets deal in the contract you signed" I can't see what FSU can do beyond whine. Unless they find a way to nullify it or rally enough other schools to dissolve the ACC, it seems the ACC has all the cards.

Without the concerted help of the SEC and B1G, I can't see there being enough schools that are able to find a better deal than they're getting in the ACC.

As the discussion here shows, there's not a clear ACC school we "just have to get ASAP" so I think we just let them twist in the wind, recruit over almost all of them, and whip their butts when we see them in the playoffs.
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I agree and I think at the same time, you have schools like Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt. , etc.. asking “why the hell should we take a pay cut just to appease the schools that are going to leave the conference anyway?”

I think the SEC is in a good holding spot, because even though what the B1G is doing looks good on paper, their best group still isn’t better than the SEC.
 
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#86
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Volador said:
Not saying it is but, with the strong words out of Tallahassee this week, the SEC might just be in a good position to cherry pick a couple of strong schools (like we did w Texas & Oklahoma). And geographically speaking, it certainly would make more sense for ACC schools to join up with the SEC vs Big 10, 6 Pac, etc, right??
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Yup
 
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I don’t understand the case for UVA…the SEC already has a school with mediocre sports and a small but arrogant fanbase.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I agree and I think at the same time, you have schools like Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt. , etc.. asking “why the hell should we take a pay cut just to appease the schools that are going to leave the conference anyway?”

I think the SEC is in a good holding spot, because even though what the B1G is doing looks good on paper, their best group still isn’t better than the SEC.
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The B1G might want either UVA or UNC to try to lure Notre Dame in but since they've already moved in California, just take Stanford..... they bring little revenue but their academics fits the B1G profile and ND brings enough revenue by itself.

Past ND and a match the B1G would really diluting their revenue for too little return, IMO.
 
#90
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Volador said:
Not saying it is but, with the strong words out of Tallahassee this week, the SEC might just be in a good position to cherry pick a couple of strong schools (like we did w Texas & Oklahoma). And geographically speaking, it certainly would make more sense for ACC schools to join up with the SEC vs Big 10, 6 Pac, etc, right??
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Makes more since two schools from the ACC join the SEC than Texas and Oklahoma to join. But it's about the money now days.
 
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Tin Man said:
Georgia Tech was part of the SEC. Bobby Dodd took GT out of the conference when it would not stop the practice by some member schools of obtaining letters of intent from more student athletes than they could add to their rosters. The guilty schools (Bama was especially egregious) would not release the student athletes until their ability to sign with another school had passed. Dodd despised this practice of denying student athletes their shot just to insure rosters were filled with the best candidates and depriving competitors of certain talent. When the SEC would not end this practice, Dodd withdrew Tech from the conference. Dodd believed student athletes deserved fair treatment and a real shot at playing college ball. After four years as an independent, GT joined the ACC.
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Doesn’t surprise me. Bobby D was a VOL and a man of character. Just doing the right thing. The SEC enabled Bama for years.
 
#94
#94
If I had to choose, I would go with UNC and UNC State.
But I don't, so I won't.
 
#95
#95
RDU VOL#14 said:
I agree about UNC and UVA and their desire to be thought of as “Public Ivy”, which means they would be a natural fit in The B1G. I think State and VT are natural fits in the SEC due to their large alumni groups in states where we don’t have a footprint . Raleigh/Durham is growing at a rapid pace and Charlotte is a huge town that is a melting pot of SEC fans combined w/ local Carolina and State grads. That’s an ideal market to grab. Wake is a the smallest power 5 school currently. I think they very well could be left without a chair when the music stops.
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This.
 
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#96
#96
Go old school and get GT. Founding member and all, they deserve it. Also locks down Georgia against outside interferences. Their academics don't hurt either.

Grab UVA and UNC

That leaves one more to get to 20.

I am kind of ambivalent about that 20th member.

Miami doesn't add much in 2023.
Clemson and FSU don't add territory.
VT is a hard no for me. They had a nice little run 20 years ago but that's all they have to their name.
NCSt is just a more well known Memphis State-third or worse fiddle in their own state.

Sadly, dream scenario for me would be stealing Maryland from the B10 lol. They tick all the boxes. Big school with new territory and a wide reaching fanbase.

In a dire pinch, oddly enough I would consider Pitt. Not having their own stadium would be an issue though. Pittsburgh market is nothing to sneeze at.
 
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#99
#99
I honestly wish we could drop a few schools (6 to be exact), but I know that isn't going to happen during these realignment shenanigans.

If forced, Virginia Tech and Florida State feel like good fits. Maybe Clemson.
 
#100
#100
SayUWantAreVOLution said:
With the GoR being so tight, I'm at a loss to see what leverage FSU or Clemson might have to force the ACC to give them a higher TV share.

If the ACC just says "No. Everyone gets deal in the contract you signed" I can't see what FSU can do beyond whine. Unless they find a way to nullify it or rally enough other schools to dissolve the ACC, it seems the ACC has all the cards.

Without the concerted help of the SEC and B1G, I can't see there being enough schools that are able to find a better deal than they're getting in the ACC.

As the discussion here shows, there's not a clear ACC school we "just have to get ASAP" so I think we just let them twist in the wind, recruit over almost all of them, and whip their butts when we see them in the playoffs.
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It appears that FSU has investigated some potential answers to the ACC buyout money.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/04/flo...aps-jpmorgan-to-find-potential-investors.html
 
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