Active Shooter at High School in Parkland, FL

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wildnkrazykat said:
The biggest player in all of this is the lack of access to and/or use of mental health services.

We put the responsibility of treating mental illnesses back on the person who is suffering from it and want to do it thru medication then act shocked when they stop care and snap.
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Legislation should be discussed for background checks to also include mental health history.
 
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Coug said:
Maybe, maybe not. Either way it levels the playing field for the teacher should a shooter come in.
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You really think an AR-15 toting maniac and a teacher who took some "training" holding a 9 mm are on a level playing field?

OK.
 
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What if buying a gun was more difficult for the person who wants to go on a killing spree, and all it took was the slightest inconvenience for him to shrug his shoulders and say it's not worth the hassle? Because teens can be pretty pathetic when it comes to going through with something when they meet the first point of resistance.
 
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bignewt said:
Would rather that than shooting blindly into a crowd out of fear.
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Why would this be your assumption? Civilian self-defense shootings do happen and collateral damage by the defender isn't something I've heard much about. (and let's not pretend the major media outlets wouldn't be ALL OVER such cases)
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I may be in the minority but if I'm in a crowd of people being shot at, I'd prefer to be armed rather than not. That's just me.
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Amen. Shooting back stops a shooter. Puts them on the defensive and focuses the attack on the armed, not the crowd. I can’t think of one “mass” shooting that happened in a place where the shooter knew his victims might be or are armed
 
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bigdaddy said:
Amen. Shooting back stops a shooter. Puts them on the defensive and focuses the attack on the armed, not the crowd. I can’t think of one “mass” shooting that happened in a place where the shooter knew his victims might be or are armed
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Hasn't it been documented that Parkland had an officer there? He didn't go in, but that doesn't make him and his gun nonexistent. And the shooter was a former student, so it's likely he knew that the officer existed
 
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crusse10 said:
Did you have the same opinion when you were 17?
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When I was 17 I had a shotgun in my trunk more often than not, even at school. So yeah, I would definitely would prefer to have something to fight back with.

Also, I bet some if those kids in FL wish their teachers had something to fight back with.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Also, I bet some if those kids in FL wish their teachers had something to fight back with.
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Most of them seem to prefer that he never had access to a gun in the first place. I mean...if you believe the words they're saying and actions they're taking.
 
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crusse10 said:
Hasn't it been documented that Parkland had an officer there? He didn't go in, but that doesn't make him and his gun nonexistent. And the shooter was a former student, so it's likely he knew that the officer existed
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Huge campus for one officer, if you know there are multiple officers and teachers w CCW then I don’t see it happening and if they did, shooting back stops it
 
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crusse10 said:
Most of them seem to prefer that he never had access to a gun in the first place. I mean...if you believe the words they're saying and actions they're taking.
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Sure, that's the best scenario but unrealistic. I'm sure most would rather not have a fire but few would discourage the use of a fire extinguisher or the abolishment of a fire department.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Sure, that's the best scenario but unrealistic. I'm sure most would rather not have a fire but few would discourage the use of a fire extinguisher or the abolishment of a fire department.
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Making it more difficult to get a gun possibly could have been the only thing needed to stop him from going to the school with a gun. Teens are fickle as is. If you make it difficult to get the gun, at the worst, it still happens. At the best, the initial deterrent eliminates the shooting from happening.
 
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crusse10 said:
Making it more difficult to get a gun possibly could have been the only thing needed to stop him from going to the school with a gun. Teens are fickle as is. If you make it difficult to get the gun, at the worst, it still happens. At the best, the initial deterrent eliminates the shooting from happening.
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Police had many opportunities to prevent him from getting a gun. None of them worked. Why will more laws be the difference? This discussion is about whether teachers should be allowed to carry on school grounds.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Police had many opportunities to prevent him from getting a gun. None of them worked. Why will more laws be the difference? This discussion is about whether teachers should be allowed to carry on school grounds.
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I understand that your discussion is about that. My intention is to say that only trying to fix the last line of defense is only an attempt to slightly quell the mayhem instead of searching for a more permanent and effective solution.

And as I said previously, a mass shooter doesn't go into a mass shooting expecting to survive. The potential of firepower coming back isn't a deterrent when you plan on shooting yourself once police arrive.
 
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