Active Shooter Killed At Nashville School

[SlipKidVol]

The article shows the difference between a handgun and an AR

dead is dead

 

[kiddiedoc]

I completely agree. But it also can't be as simple as:

1) I recognize transgenderism as a completely natural occurrence;
2) therefore, regardless of the lack of information, any discussion of transgenderism and its correlation to mental illness should be automatically dismissed out of hand because I don't want to oppress them.

It's completely possible to have questions about people's customs, behaviors, biology, etc. that you don't understand without being a bigot or even rude.

It is also worth determining if certain medical treatments could increase the probability of psychotic behavior or violence (say, androgenic hormones...) We have to ask questions to find solutions. Contrary to the past 3 years' suggestion, that's how science works.

 

[BigSteve09]

Unlike the cowards in Uvalde…

and MNPD released the footage and audio within 24 hours

when you do the right thing, the truth speaks for itself. again, i'm so proud of those guys.

 

[82_VOL_83]

I posted an article about what ARs can do to a human body while there was active discussion on ARs.

You realize you could’ve just skipped the article? OR WERE YOU JUST LOOKING TO ARGUE TODAY

I have read 99.9% of the posts in this thread. There was literally no discussion of AR-15 ballistics and what they do to a body until you posted it for shock value. I do stand corrected though, one of the guns does appear to be a .223/5.56 pistol.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Totally agree.. nobody can have any qualms with how Metro PD handled this

They came in and did their job. The guy w/ the body cam didn’t stop moving from the time he got out of his vehicle until the time he put down the killer. Out the door, get your weapon, got info from teacher, enter the school, clear the classrooms, move upstairs towards the gunfire and then put that POS down.
Makes Uvalde that much more infuriating.

 

[GAVol]

It is also worth determining if certain medical treatments could increase the probability of psychotic behavior or violence (say, androgenic hormones...) We have to ask questions to find solutions. Contrary to the past 3 years' suggestion, that's how science works.

Exactly . . . Set aside the gasps and saying the right thing so we'll sound enlightened. I just want to know what causes what and if we can do better.

 

[85SugarVol]

Really just pulled a random percentage out of the defense budget and this is what came out. Then schools would have to figure how many officers at what pay, full or part time, summers off or not. A lot of variables that would really get into the weeds, I know. But just used it as a starting point.

Money shouldn’t be an issue. It never is for anything else.

Just need some level of deterrent present.

A retired veteran as others have mentioned, a school officer, private security (which I see all over Memphis at private schools) - do something to make schoolhouses less appealing targets to madmen.

 

[Vol in Buckeye Land]

Lmfao Canada has very low homicide rates but you just gave away your game. You believe the answer is to disarm everyone

How does Canada’s low homicide rate contradict anything I’ve said? They have stricter gun laws than us, and their homicide rate is a little more than a quarter of what ours is. The UK has stricter laws still, and their homicide rate is around half what Canada’s is.

Also, no, I don’t want to disarm everyone. I own guns myself and think it’s reasonable for responsible citizens to own firearms. In fact I think there’s a lot that could be done even short of banning ARs (though I’d be okay with that at this point), let alone something more restrictive, like a handgun ban. I wince a little when I hear liberals say “ban semi automatic weapons.” You’re really gonna take somebody’s Ruger 10/22 away?

I think licensure could go a long way in curbing the wanton violence, so the Canadian example is actually a very good one. Sorry to deprive you of your strawman.

 

[Vol8188]

I like your line of thought here.

95,000 schools to harden.

What went in to your $240k per school per year?

240k seems like a lot. Are we hiring 4 guards per school

 

[jmacvols1]

 

[MercyPercy]

Hooefully i wont get banned but here is the police body cam footage of them killing the school shooter

Good job for this cop, but what were the others doing who were at the scene outside the room of the shooter before he got there? This guy came from his car to the building and walked past a bunch of other LEOs to get to the front and shoot the killer.

Not saying in this circumstance it would have changed anything if those first guys went in because we don't know the whole timeline but I found that part interesting watching it all the way through.

 

[Vol8188]

How does Canada’s low homicide rate contradict anything I’ve said? They have stricter gun laws than us, and their homicide rate is a little more than a quarter of what ours is. The UK has stricter laws still, and their homicide rate is around half what Canada’s is.

Also, no, I don’t want to disarm everyone. I own guns myself and think it’s reasonable for responsible citizens to own firearms. In fact I think there’s a lot that could be done even short of banning ARs (though I’d be okay with that at this point), let alone something more restrictive, like a handgun ban. I wince a little when I hear liberals say “ban semi automatic weapons.” You’re really gonna take somebody’s Ruger 10/22 away?

I think licensure could go a long way in curbing the wanton violence, so the Canadian example is actually a very good one. Sorry to deprive you of your strawman.

New Hampshire has looser gun laws than most of the US and the absolute lows homicide rates in the US.

Rifles as a whole account for less than 500 deaths a year. Banning ARs (just one type of rifle) would accomplish nothing.

Canada has a per capita income even with that of the US white population and stricter gun laws yet similar homicide rates.

Maryland has some of the strictest laws and insanely high homicide rates.

When will you accept the things you’re proposing simply don’t work? Would anything change your mind because you seem to ignore all the data?

 

[Vol in Buckeye Land]

Why was New Hampshire’s homicide rate lower than England in 2020 if the problem is firearms?

Ah, yes, we know how dangerous the mean streets of Nashua are compared to London, Liverpool and the like. There couldn’t possibly be any variables there that would make comparing a small, low-density state like New Hampshire to a nation with multiple metropolises, including one of the largest cities in the world, utterly and completely ridiculous, could there?

 

[NCFisher]

Good grief, read his post for Pete’s sake: “While my heart goes out to the victims and their families I have a “suck it up buttercup” attitude. Freedom is dangerous but I accept that risk as it’s much more palatable than the alternatives.” What exactly am I misinterpreting so badly?

You: “Suck it up buttercup” to the families of murdered 9 year olds so you can own an AR and go plinking with your buddies on the weekends? That’s depraved, sir.

He isn't saying that to families of murdered children, but making the general observation that ALL rights have a societal cost. For example, Stalin - any every slimy totalitarian before and since, has observed that ideas and speech are far more dangerous than guns.

No one doesn't empathize with the parents of slain children unless they begin to insist others be deprived of their rights to assuage their loss. Sandy Hook parents are a prominent example of this, and it's the point at which I have the attitude they can pound sand. Our republic rests on the principle that protection of individual rights protect all rights, and that cornerstone of society is more important than them or - yes - even their children.

It is depraved to associate lawful exercise of rights with the unlawful, then vilify the person who resists your shoddy association while attempting to deny their rights. And depraved to use dead children as a shield to attack other's rights. Don't be that person.

 

[85SugarVol]

240k seems like a lot. Are we hiring 4 guards per school

The money shouldn’t be the point. Which is the point.

But yes, I think we could put a deterrent in place for 1/5 of that. I imagine donations of time, knowledge, supply, and dollars would roll in too.

 

[Vol8188]

Ah, yes, we know how dangerous the mean streets of Nashua are compared to London, Liverpool and the like. There couldn’t possibly be any variables there that would make comparing a small, low-density state like New Hampshire to a nation with multiple metropolises, including one of the largest cities in the world, utterly and completely ridiculous, could there?

Interesting. What data point would change your mind? To me the lack of correlation on a state level between homicide rates and gun laws along with the fact that the white homicide rate is on par with the EU seems really convincing.

Add in that the EU has less guns but more homicides than Canada and it seems obvious that in all examples the problem isn’t guns.

 

[NCFisher]

Ah, yes, we know how dangerous the mean streets of Nashua are compared to London, Liverpool and the like. There couldn’t possibly be any variables there that would make comparing a small, low-density state like New Hampshire to a nation with multiple metropolises, including one of the largest cities in the world, utterly and completely ridiculous, could there?

Then, you're saying population density and the makeup of inhabitants is the problem, not guns - ?

 

[NCFisher]

Didn't last long once somebody else with a gun showed up.

Just cops.
Too bad 'good guys with guns' weren't available, sigh...

 

[Vol in Buckeye Land]

New Hampshire has looser gun laws than most of the US and the absolute lows homicide rates in the US.

Rifles as a whole account for less than 500 deaths a year. Banning ARs (just one type of rifle) would accomplish nothing.

Canada has a per capita income even with that of the US white population and stricter gun laws yet similar homicide rates.

Maryland has some of the strictest laws and insanely high homicide rates.

When will you accept the things you’re proposing simply don’t work? Would anything change your mind because you seem to ignore all the data?

Not agreeing with your skewed interpretation of certain facts is not the same thing as “ignoring all the data,” Mr. Smartest Person in the Room. You ignore all context and cherry pick the facts that suit you. If you arbitrarily take out the demographic most likely to be murdered in the US, we still have a higher homicide rate than Canada. How can you think that strengthens your argument? New Hampshire has a low homicide rate because it’s extremely rural. Maryland has a high homicide rate because of Baltimore. None of this is hard to understand, but you keep throwing crap at the wall hoping it will stick or I’ll get bored and move on.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

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[kiddiedoc]

Maryland has a high homicide rate because of Baltimore.

Is that because they make "ARs" there?

 

[Vol in Buckeye Land]

Then, you're saying population density and the makeup of inhabitants is the problem, not guns - ?

Well you’re still a lot less likely to get murdered in their metropolises than in ours, so no.

 

[Vol737]

240k seems like a lot. Are we hiring 4 guards per school

My thoughts on this is that it’s not just straight salary. Likely 3 or so part time security officers splitting the duty on different days. Maybe retired military/MPs, police officers etc. working a few days a week. Some money would be invested in upgrades to security doors, School surveillance systems, etc. Again, $240k is what came out when calculating peeling off a small percentage of the defense budget, or others, split among approx 95k schools. It probably could be done for less. At 2.5% it came out to about $200K per school per annum.

 

[85SugarVol]

Good job for this cop, but what were the others doing who were at the scene outside the room of the shooter before he got there? This guy came from his car to the building and walked past a bunch of other LEOs to get to the front and shoot the killer.

Not saying in this circumstance it would have changed anything if those first guys went in because we don't know the whole timeline but I found that part interesting watching it all the way through.

It looks like they were clearing as they went through? It looked like they were leapfrogging one another?