Adams has a point...

#51
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fade route said:
Message to recruits: We love ya when you tweet positive things about UT and on signing day when you put that orange hat on at the press conference. But may God have mercy on you if you don't meet our expectations as a player, coach, or any other role in our program. It's open season on you then.

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And no matter how many good seasons you have, have a couple of bad ones and we will throw you under the bus post haste.
 
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Adams never has a point. He has a screed and his screeds are always designed to smack, embarrass, or cause division amongst Vol fans.

One of those 4 presidents left in the middle of the night ala Kiffin after embezzling from the university but did Adams mention that? To say that Hamilton was an awful AD and the four presidents we had were a mess, even criminally so, is state the truth but if you read the what Fulmer said in context he doesn't say that. What he does speak of is the instability created by our presidents (who were awful both with regards to the academic side and athletic side and had an enormous negative impact on the entire university) and the challenges Hamilton faced as well as Hamilton's inability to handle it all.

And Fulmer wasn't even talking about himself. He was talking about the state of our football program and what we've been through over the last few years:

GULF SHORES, Alabama - For the first time since 1906, the Tennessee football program could endure a fourth consecutive losing season if the Volunteers don't make it to at least .500 in the 2013 campaign. Former Tennessee coach Phillip Fulmer is hoping Butch Jones' first season as the Vols' coach is a good one.

"I'm hopeful that we're better," Fulmer said. "I like Butch Jones a lot."

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But don't put all the blame for Tennessee's slide on his successors, Fulmer said.

"I still know we're battling from an internal standpoint to get everything aligned so we can not compete against ourselves internally but be able to compete against the outside folks," Fulmer said. "I believe we're making progress with that.

"Every school has down cycles. You're not always going to be on top. Alabama just a few years ago, for example. Florida never won a championship until coach (Steve) Spurrier got there. People don't realize that: You're going to have your dips.

"What happened to us basically was our leadership. We had four presidents in six years. We ended up with an athletic director that wasn't prepared for the job. Not a terrible guy or anything like that. He got twisted like a pretzel by the middle management of the university. We lost a lot of the edges that you have to have. (Current athletic director) Dave Hart's very aware of those, and he's working to change things. We didn't get dumb or lazy all of a sudden. There were obviously some things that were different.

"When you have a great president and a great athletic director and you replace them with substandard people that have no idea, what do you expect is going to happen? And you do that three other times? It's crazy."
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Fulmer is a Hall of Fame Coach and when he was active the winningest active coach in CFB. He brought home the title and 90+ percent of his time coaching here was above standard. He bleeds orange and will bleed orange til the day he dies. The stupid attacks only serve to tarnish our OWN history as well as a coach we should all be proud of. We should not be repeating*a bunch of bama homers attacks or petty names.

Here's the original article.
 
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FEARinSEC said:
I just can't believe some of you "so called" Vol Fans sit here and bash a head coach who brought you 152 wins, 2 SEC Championships, 1 NC and numerous memories of incredible plays and players!! Quite sad, actually!
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I'm not bashing CPF. I appreciate what he did for the program but felt (and feel) that he lost the fire in his belly and his time had past.

For that you question my fan card?

The only reason I thought it worth posting was that I had read the other article where he had gone to some sort of SEC legend PR event and blamed everyone else for the program's slide. I certainly haven't been sitting around hoping for an opportunity to bash CPF.

The Fulmerites can jump on Adams for writing the column, but CPF is the one that brought it up.
 
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Actually read the article, and yes, blaming the university president for a losing football season is dumb.
 
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cbbowlingmd said:
I just don't understand. All the crack and jokes and badmouthing of a hall of fame coach who brought the first BCS Championship right here to Knoxville.

Blame him for falling off in recruiting and maybe even in coaching toward the end, but can we lay off the childishness please? :hi:
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That was my point - hope you took it that way.
 
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fade route said:
Message to recruits: We love ya when you tweet positive things about UT and on signing day when you put that orange hat on at the press conference. But may God have mercy on you if you don't meet our expectations as a player, coach, or any other role in our program. It's open season on you then.

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UT has the only fan base that criticizes performance in sports.......
 
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VolMax said:
I'm not bashing CPF. I appreciate what he did for the program but felt (and feel) that he lost the fire in his belly and his time had past.

For that you question my fan card?

The only reason I thought it worth posting was that I had read the other article where he had gone to some sort of SEC legend PR event and blamed everyone else for the program's slide. I certainly haven't been sitting around hoping for an opportunity to bash CPF.

The Fulmerites can jump on Adams for writing the column, but CPF is the one that brought it up.
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Fulmerites? You say that like it's a bad thing. Yeah, let's bad mouth one of our own, one who still bleeds O&W. I'll never understand this. Ever. Regardless of his last few seasons, he did enough for this university that we should all be "Fulmerites".
 
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VFL1953 said:
Fulmerites? You say that like it's a bad thing. Yeah, let's bad mouth one of our own, one who still bleeds O&W. I'll never understand this. Ever. Regardless of his last few seasons, he did enough for this university that we should all be "Fulmerites".
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Ok...fair enough...

I think of Fulmerites as the pro Fulmer folks on this site that argue that he should still be the HC and that his firing was second only to the crucifixion of Jesus Christ in the history of betrayal and wrongs. If that doesn't fit you, then it wasn't intended to insult you.

:hi:
 
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#60
Sounds like Adams feels he has some serious character flaws. The A-Rod of ex-college coaches.
 
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Fulmer and Majors need to go to the back of the room and shake hands. Neither needs to be up front and the focus of the attention. They did really good things and really lousy things and each made national market rate compensation. Then they both were fired.

My advice to them is to stay behind the scenes and play nice with each other and the UTAD for the benefit of the program that they claim to love so much.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
Sounds like Adams feels he has some serious character flaws. The A-Rod of ex-college coaches.
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I think Adams may have took it a bit far, but the principal is still the same. The NC was great in 98' and then after that we went down hill fast. You look back at the rosters in the early 2000s and you have to shake your head at the lack of BCS bowl wins/appearances. The only compliant I had was waiting until they did to fire Fulmer and then when they finally did it they didn't have a great plan in place and we ended up losing Chavis too. They should have had a veteran coach in place that was allowed to pick his offense assistants and Chavis should have been given all right to the defense with a nice raise to go with it. I know Chavis wanted the head coaching job, but I don't think he would have left had we made him a top five highest paid assistant in NCAA. Chavis even with the long third down completion flaws had two things we really needed; one, he loved UT, two, he is a great coach.
 
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keckjm said:
I think Adams may have took it a bit far, but the principal is still the same. The NC was great in 98' and then after that we went down hill fast. You look back at the rosters in the early 2000s and you have to shake your head at the lack of BCS bowl wins/appearances. The only compliant I had was waiting until they did to fire Fulmer and then when they finally did it they didn't have a great plan in place and we ended up losing Chavis too. They should have had a veteran coach in place that was allowed to pick his offense assistants and Chavis should have been given all right to the defense with a nice raise to go with it. I know Chavis wanted the head coaching job, but I don't think he would have left had we made him a top five highest paid assistant in NCAA. Chavis even with the long third down completion flaws had two things we really needed; one, he loved UT, two, he is a great coach.
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That's a lot of hindsight. Down on the bayou they don't scream 3rd and Chavis. So not much respect for your best coach when you sent fulmer packing. How was he ever going to be seriously considered for the head job?
 
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TUSKtimes said:
That's a lot of hindsight. Down on the bayou they don't scream 3rd and Chavis. So not much respect for your best coach when you sent fulmer packing. How was he ever going to be seriously considered for the head job?
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He wasn't nor should he have been which is why he left. Still doesn't diminish the fact he's one of the best DC in the business and should have been given a nice raise offer to entice him to stay here. It is what it is, but to see him at LSU sucks as a VOL fan but that's just me.
 
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keckjm said:
He wasn't nor should he have been which is why he left. Still doesn't diminish the fact he's one of the best DC in the business and should have been given a nice raise offer to entice him to stay here. It is what it is, but to see him at LSU sucks as a VOL fan but that's just me.
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Chavis talent level in BR is off the charts. I would think he laments it less then you. He saved fulmers full moon for years and frankly has done the same for Les Miles. After 3 years of dooley, with his resume, no one can say he didn't deserve a chance.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
Chavis talent level in BR is off the charts. I would think he laments it less then you. He saved fulmers full moon for years and frankly has done the same for Les Miles. After 3 years of dooley, with his resume, no one can say he didn't deserve a chance.
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When we fired Fulmer Chavis wasn't the answer at HC. We needed someone new in here with a fresh set of eyes to fix our problems, but that doesn't mean Chavis couldn't have been paid big to be the DC here. As good as Chavis is why do you think he is still a DC after all these years?
 
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Seems to me that the wisest course of action is for former coaches that really care about the program to let sleeping dogs lie and get behind the team.
 
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It wasnt solely on Fulmer at all. But sure a lot was. But still, he won us a national title. Nothing but respect
 
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Fulmer is a first-class A$$. No, there is only one person responsible for the collapse of the program, and this is true of all programs that falter--and that would be the head coach, in this case Phil "pass the buck" Fulmer, who now lamely tries to blame everyone but himself. Of course he hates Hamilton for firing him. I praise Hamilton--it takes rocks to fire a national champion coach who is fried and completely done, and he recognized as much and did it. Fulmer has also tried to blame the turnover at president--please. Fulmer spent his last several years making excuses for his failures and he's still doing it, like a coward. Man up: You had a great run in the 1990s and then you made some bad decisions, got stale, and couldn't sustain it. Happens to a lot of coaches. Stop blaming others for your failures, coach.
 
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This paragraph pretty much sums up the whole article and seems to reflect the consensus of opinion on Phil at the nadir of his decline:

"But the man most responsible for the decline of UT football was Fulmer. The same coach who helped build Tennessee into a national champion in 1998 eventually ran the program into the ground.“We lost a lot of edges,” he said.In fact, Fulmer lost his edge.
His recruiting dropped off. His hires weren’t as good. And he couldn’t keep up with the competition when other SEC schools upgraded their coaching."
 
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