Alabama BB Player Arrested

[CardsNVols]

I'm for better funding of schools, provided there is reform to the schools themselves. Schools should be about preparing children for the real world, meeting the demands of the real world. If the school's focus is on that, them I am good with it. If it is just throwing good money after bad in a failing system, I am against it.

There's also an issue that throwing more money at schools will not fix, the issues at home. If a parent or parents do not value a kid's education, it is very likely that the kid will not value it either. That can be said for poor white kids as well as poor black kids.

All fair points.

 

[the_todd]

It’s the articulate, logical, reasonable approach that makes your argument so convincing. Especially the manner in which you address the topic of systemic racism by stating that individual racism works both ways.

The fact that you get so upset and immediately go into attack mode is illustrative.

not so upset & definitely not in attack mode. Just pointing out the laziness of some people. Sorry if point out facts offends you

 

[207 others]

I’m sure this will get moved to politics, but while you’re right about much of this, I take issue with saying it’s not a race issue and it’s up to the black community to fix.

We live in a world of systems. Those systems are the primary determinant of where we end up. Yeah, there are exceptions, but “cultures” exist due to systems. White people founded this nation while operating on the notion of white supremacy and those systems arose out of that notion.

Racism, on a systemic level, is alive and well. Until we destroy those systems, it’s on white people…the system’s creators…to fix these issues. It starts by acknowledging that they exist.

Jewish need to also help as they have major overrepresentation in government and media

 

[AthensVol2007]

Practice systemic equality. Stop dismantling/defunding public schools (which happens far more frequently in black communities) and invest more heavily in them instead. Instead of huge corporate tax breaks and tax subsidies, make college education attainable for all, as many European countries do, further address unfair housing practices (which, yes, still exist). To name a few “general” thoughts.

I’m not convinced that reparations are appropriate. But if you read Ta-Nahasi Coates’ “The Case for Reparations,” you’ll learn more about underlying systemic issues and possible solutions.

I’m not saying don’t hold individuals like Miles accountable. I am saying that there are systemic issues that keep black Americans more impoverished in general. And frankly, that’s not really a deniable claim at this point.

What keeps them impoverished is a system and/or culture that is ok with and practically promotes out of wedlock births. The rate amongst the black community was 24% in 1965, by 1990 it was up to 64%. In general, out of wedlock births are up overall, even amongst whites, 3% in 1965 to 18% in 1990. The black middle income class and upper income class have both increased since 1971 while the % in lower income class has decreased. Contrast that with whites who’ve seen a decrease in the middle class and an increase in lower income class and upper class. As the share of single parent households as increased as has the % of kids growing up in poverty. The % of single-mother only households was 8% in 1960, by 2020 that was 21%; on a race level its 21% for whites and 51% for blacks. Over a third of mother only households wind up in poverty so it’s no coincidence that that equates to more impoverishment in the black community. The question begs why do blacks have more out out of wedlock births and by default more single parent households. Note, the single parent household phenomenon is a problem for America in general. We have 3x the rate of the global average and 2x and 3x the rate of our North American neighbors of Canada and Mexico.

 

[VOLnVANDYland]

this is probably the most idiotic, ignorant, & stupidest thing ever posted on here. I hate to break it to you, but not everything is the white mans fault. Its time for people to grow the f@&k up & start taking accountability and responsibility for their own actions & quit blaming everyone else for their severe lack of common sense.

im not saying racism doesn’t exist, because it does. But that door swings both ways. Black people are racist towards white people too. The only difference is white people don’t blame black people for their problems and stupid decisions

Racism isn’t just about prejudices you might consciously or subconsciously have about others that don’t look like you. Far more nefarious is institutionalized racism, of which no one person or group is to blame, but it exists. Why would people of African descent experience higher rates of poverty, crime, poorer education, and healthcare outcomes? You can argue for self accountability all you want, and yes we all need that, but are you suggesting people of African descent have inherent character flaws? And if so what is the biological basis for such arguments? If you are white in this country chances are you have had more opportunities based on what has been afforded to you, both monetarily and non monetarily, by your ancestors. Years of history and disadvantages cannot be erased just because we had the civil rights era and now a national holiday for MLK. If King were still here he’d argue there is still much to work towards.

 

[Carl Pickens]

First off it wasn't your post. Secondly, your response doesn't make sense for his comment "Embarrassing as a society".

Are you calling him out on one of those “you people” kind of things?

 

[VOLnVANDYland]

Jewish need to also help as they have major overrepresentation in government and media

How about leaving other tropes out of this and just say we all need to do better?

 

[bigl3327]

Are you calling him out on one of those “you people” kind of things?

Go back up about 6 or 7 posts for your answer. I've already answered this question.

 

[Carl Pickens]

So much of this is a crutch, a weak argument. Myself a white boy who grew up without a father and a part time abusive azzhole my mother decided to sleep with, have babies who beat her, beat me. Just because. We lived in the projects when I was very young, needless to say we had nothing.
By 12 I had a job, paying my own way through life. At 14 I left home and never went back. I've made a lot of mistakes in my life, but what I didn't do was follow that same path of government dependency. I got out, you can get out. There are many success stories and it doesn't mean you have to carry a ball to be successful.
I've raised two successful fine young men who married two beautiful faithful ladies, they've given me three beautiful grandchildren. I never got rich, but I got what I need to carry me though this life and take care of my family.

 

[Carl Pickens]

I guess you would see it that way. BRAVO
When the Kitna case happened at Florida, I didn't see anybody say SO many young white men are into child pornography. Or... the Idaho murders, no one on here said SO many young white men aspire to be serial killers. How about the countless school shootings? I didn't see a single post on here about SO many young white men are mass murderers. So embarrassing for a society.
Why? Because the acts of individuals are not indicative of an entire society of people. Especially when someone's whole post was speaking about a particular race. So where does the racist agitation really lie? If you don't see an issue with the OP's statement, then you might be part of the issue.

This might help make your argument …..
Race and crime in the United States - Wikipedia

 

[KriegerVOL]

University of Alabama basketball player Darius Miles among 2 charged with capital murder in shooting death on the Strip

Bammer athlete responsible for death, waiting for the SEC to release a statement again about how awful we are for throwing trash on the field.

 

[Butch s]

Complex nuanced issues created by centuries of policy and culture aren’t fixed on message boards. But it starts with acknowledgment.

Read Douglas Walton’s “Slavery By Another Name” and Ibram X. Kendi’s “Stamped From The Beginning.” Both are very well-researched reads on the matter.

Seriously gonna blame this on slavery. My god man how long has it been, will it ever be far enough behind. This country gives people of all color more opportunity than any other country on the planet, regardless of what has happened in the PAST!!! Keep picking at a wound and it will never heal. Constantly blaming racism and slavery, just gives some an excuse to be a lawless, low life human being

 

[Butch s]

Complex nuanced issues created by centuries of policy and culture aren’t fixed on message boards. But it starts with acknowledgment.

Read Douglas Walton’s “Slavery By Another Name” and Ibram X. Kendi’s “Stamped From The Beginning.” Both are very well-researched reads on the matter.

Seriously gonna blame this on slavery. My god man how long has it been, will it ever be far enough behind. This country gives people of all color more opportunity than any other country on the planet, regardless of what has happened in the PAST!!! Keep picking at a wound and it will never heal. Constantly blaming racism and slavery, just gives some an excuse to be a lawless, low life human being

 

[SN-A-C Orange]

I don't think there is any question of guilt here. So that renders the "Judgement" point moot. We should all have the ability to recognize Evil, and this is it.

I am all for judgement, by the proper entities at the proper time in the proper venue.

 

[LAVol1]

it’s on white people…the system’s creators…to fix these issues. It starts by acknowledging that they exist.

Until we can get to the point where we can discuss the issue (too many kids growing up without fathers), the issue will not be resolved. As soon as the issue is brought up, the "racism" card is played solely for political reasons. I've worked with kids that don't have fathers in their homes for years, and I know the impact it has on young men. I see it every day.

 

[CeJayVols]

In a way it's sad, sad that a kid with his whole future ahead of him and getting a education and making something out of himself now destroyed his life with one stupid action.

 

[Caculator]

Was the girl they murdered attending UT?


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[AthensVol2007]

Racism isn’t just about prejudices you might consciously or subconsciously have about others that don’t look like you. Far more nefarious is institutionalized racism, of which no one person or group is to blame, but it exists. Why would people of African descent experience higher rates of poverty, crime, poorer education, and healthcare outcomes? You can argue for self accountability all you want, and yes we all need that, but are you suggesting people of African descent have inherent character flaws? And if so what is the biological basis for such arguments? If you are white in this country chances are you have had more opportunities based on what has been afforded to you, both monetarily and non monetarily, by your ancestors. Years of history and disadvantages cannot be erased just because we had the civil rights era and now a national holiday for MLK. If King were still here he’d argue there is still much to work towards.

Then explain why black immigrants, predominantly of Sub-Saharan African descent, come over and perform as well or better in practically every metric than native-born blacks? Why are they not being arrested? Why are they managing to get and hold down jobs at a higher level? The last statistic answers a lot of that.

“Black immigrants are also notably different from other Americans. For example, immigrant blacks are more likely than U.S.-born blacks to have a college degree or to be married. Compared with all U.S. immigrants, immigrant blacks are more likely to hold U.S. citizenship and to speak English proficiently.” Pew Research.

“Black immigrants are generally less likely to live in poverty than U.S.-born Black residents, data vary by city. Black immigrants in New York City, which is by far the top metro destination for Black immigrants with nearly one-quarter of the overall population, tend to have better outcomes than their native-born Black neighbors, at least in terms of poverty. Black immigrants are also less likely to experience poverty than their U.S.-born counterparts in other top destination cities such as Miami, Boston, and Atlanta. One-in-five (20%) black immigrants live below the poverty line, according to the Pew Research Center analysis of Census Bureau data. That share is below that of U.S.-born blacks, who have a poverty rate of 28%. Migration Policy Institute.

“Nationwide, 31 percent of Black immigrant men and 28 percent of Black immigrant women are college graduates, respectively. This compares to 17 percent of U.S.-born Black men and 24 percent of native-born Black women.
These data underscore the gap in higher education between foreign-born and native Black men. Outcomes are also mirrored in the labor market: in 2019, Black immigrant men had a much lower unemployment rate (6 percent) than Black U.S.-born men (11 percent). Similarly for Black women, though the gap was smaller, the unemployment rate was lower among immigrants (7 percent) than the U.S. born (9 percent).” Migration Policy Institute.

“But foreign-born blacks have a higher median income than U.S.-born blacks. U.S.-born blacks have a median household income of $33,500, a full $10,000 less than that among foreign-born black household.” Pew Research.

“Compared to U.S.-born black adults, a significantly higher share of black immigrant adults are currently married (28% among U.S. born versus 48% among foreign born).”

 

[YankeeVol]

I’m sure this will get moved to politics, but while you’re right about much of this, I take issue with saying it’s not a race issue and it’s up to the black community to fix.

We live in a world of systems. Those systems are the primary determinant of where we end up. Yeah, there are exceptions, but “cultures” exist due to systems. White people founded this nation while operating on the notion of white supremacy and those systems arose out of that notion.

Racism, on a systemic level, is alive and well. Until we destroy those systems, it’s on white people…the system’s creators…to fix these issues. It starts by acknowledging that they exist.

Color has ZERO to do with how far you get in life in America. PERIOD. It's on the individual

 

[tennesseeduke]

Thugs!

 

[kxtop]

Such tragedies, a beautiful young woman killed, so many guns so much violence.

 

[Caculator]

Such tragedies, a beautiful young woman killed, so many guns so much violence.

How "many" guns did they shoot her with?

 

[ButchPlz]

I'm for better funding of schools, provided there is reform to the schools themselves. Schools should be about preparing children for the real world, meeting the demands of the real world. If the school's focus is on that, them I am good with it. If it is just throwing good money after bad in a failing system, I am against it.

There's also an issue that throwing more money at schools will not fix, the issues at home. If a parent or parents do not value a kid's education, it is very likely that the kid will not value it either. That can be said for poor white kids as well as poor black kids.

Nailed it. Public schools as they are set up now prepare kids for failure. I learned more in my summers with my parents traveling around, and then in high school in my first travels around the world, than I learned in most every class I ever had. I had some fantastic teachers in my AP classes, but when I had to take a lower level class to check a box for graduation I gained literally nothing but frustration.

 

[TNfaninMS]

Thugs!

Thugs don’t cry, remorseful kids do. Feel bad for the girls family but also have a sense of sympathy for this kid and the other. Sad they took her life and theirs in the process.

 

[kxtop]

How "many" guns did they shoot her with?

One is too many! However, according to news reports there were multiple gunshots. She was only driving by when shot.